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« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2006, 02:47:43 PM »
hmm... some unexpected replies.

I that TR was our last real great president.   I would very much aspire to his style.  

Ben Franklin was not one of my favorite founders... I really am  more of a Jeffersonian.

mossgood... still don't see your point.  the founders did forsee what would happen if we allowed government to grow beyond what they had envisioned...  they were absolutely correct and we are paying the price for not listening to them.

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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2006, 04:12:06 PM »
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mossgood... still don't see your point.  the founders did forsee what would happen if we allowed government to grow beyond what they had envisioned...  they were absolutely correct and we are paying the price for not listening to them.

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The point was not about them not getting it right.  It was an observation about them being glorified and whether or not we have the same caliber now.

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« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2006, 05:31:23 PM »
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Make sure that the supreme court does not expand the constitution but that it only interprets it according to the founders original intent.


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In that case you want the reference to God taken back out of the constitution?...I'm with ya Lazs!
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« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2006, 08:48:10 PM »
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In that case you want the reference to God taken back out of the constitution?...I'm with ya Lazs!


The Supreme Court amended the Constitution? I know that they have tried to alter it by interpretation but I wasn't aware they ever changed it's actual wording. Can you be specific?

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« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2006, 10:09:52 PM »
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When I hear someone say this or even when I think it myself I wonder.. Was there some kind of super morality, best of intentions, perfectly politically farsighted, utmost best for the country enzymes in the food back when the founding fathers figured out the perfect way to run a country for 10,000 years?

And what do we have to do to bring that food back to the market?



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« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2006, 08:16:23 AM »
mossgood... ahh... I see your point.    Do you not think that some ideas are so simple and true and advanced that nothing ever comes along to improve them?

How much clasical music has been written lately? certainly there are composers that rival the greats but...  it's been done.   There are political writers that rival the founders but the great ideas have allready been taken.. they can only polish.

Rock and roll...  art medias and styles... nothing to top the clasics...

Were all these people so much better than what we have today or simply the first to discover these truths... these universal great things?   I would say the latter.

If there never were a U.S..  and the revolution.. then one would have to happen... different great people would have caused it but...

Like rock and roll and classical art and music... it had to happen.

I also think that the current way we are running the country stifles any real good men from aspiring to running the country.   Teddy Roosevelt would not want to run today... could not win if he did.

Roll back the laws and government to 1912 and watch the great men come out of the woodwork.   There is no place for them today.

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« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2006, 08:17:50 AM »
As for religion and god... I would say that the government could establish no religion nor persecute one.

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« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2006, 10:56:49 AM »
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Rock and roll... art medias and styles... nothing to top the clasics...


Don't automatically assume that because it's old that it's good.

The founding fathers gave us the most basic forms of socialism, but they tried to alleviate the pain of it somewhat.

I think it's ironic how great the founding fathers are viewed.
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« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2006, 11:23:04 AM »
lazs2 has my vote. Can I be part of your  Ministry of Defence or as we call it DoD?:aok :aok :aok
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« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2006, 02:19:58 PM »
laser... you have a very strict interpretation of socialism.   You also appear to not want any protection at all (other than muscle) for your human rights.    It is not socialism to expect payment for a service.

also... not all good things are old or all old things good...  but most if not all of the real good ideas have allready been thought of by now.

red26... sure but.. it doesn't pay much.

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« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2006, 02:30:58 PM »
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Ben Franklin was not one of my favorite founders...


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« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2006, 03:52:27 PM »
I think it's a good idea, but I have a couple of questions.

I think the 19th amendment is a Good Thing.  How would the Lazs party deal with this?   (Women being given the vote)

How about the 24th?  It's a federalist amendment, but it was a response to a real problem.  Do you think losing it would create disenfranchisement or was it something that no longer has a purpose?
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« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2006, 04:46:20 PM »
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laser... you have a very strict interpretation of socialism.


I have a very basic definitiom of socialism, because in its true form, socialism is very basic.

If you think it is right for the government to take someone's property without the owner's choice, then you are a socialist.
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« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2006, 05:30:24 PM »
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I think it's a good idea, but I have a couple of questions.

I think the 19th amendment is a Good Thing.  How would the Lazs party deal with this?   (Women being given the vote)

How about the 24th?  It's a federalist amendment, but it was a response to a real problem.  Do you think losing it would create disenfranchisement or was it something that no longer has a purpose?


Obviously there are some things that were added as amendments to the Constitution to change our ways of thinking about things, not to counter anything that was spelled out previously.  The Constitution did not previously establish poll taxes, those were done at the local and state levels as a way of providing loopholes to short circuit the 14th amendment.  Given the social pressures that have built up since then to oppose such actions, and given that it never had Constitutional sanction to start with, I really think the 24th is redundant now.  I'd have to say the same of the 19th.  Once women legally established the right to vote, it became a part of our culture.  Removing the amendment forcing us to let them vote would not change the reality at this point.  

I would like to see Amendments 17 and 20 kept, if only to make transitions easier and prevent imbalances in representation.

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« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2006, 08:52:32 PM »
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red26... sure but.. it doesn't pay much.
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