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Offline sluggish

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« on: December 27, 2006, 12:52:51 PM »
Scenario: Jack pulls into school parking lot with rifle in gun rack.
1973 - Vice Principal comes over, takes a look at Jack's rifle, goes to his car and gets his to show Jack.
2006 - School goes into lockdown, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.
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Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.
1973 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up best friends. Nobody goes to jail, nobody arrested, nobody expelled.
2006 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark.   Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.
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Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students.
1973 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by Principal.  Sits still in class.
2006 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability.
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Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his father's car and his Dad gives him a whipping.
1973 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2006 - Billy's Dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. Billy's sister is told by state psychologist that she remembers being abused herself and their Dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has affair with psychologist.
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Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some headache medicine to school.
1973 - Mark shares headache medicine with Principal out on the smoking dock.
2006 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons.
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Scenario: Mary turns up pregnant.
1973 - 5 High School Boys leave town. Mary does her senior year at a special school for expectant mothers.
2006 - Middle School Counselor calls Planned Parenthood, who notifies the ACLU. Mary is driven to the next state over and gets an abortion without her parent's consent or knowledge. Mary given condoms and told to be more careful next time.
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Scenario: Pedro fails high school English.
1973: Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.
2006: Pedro's cause is taken up by state democratic party. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he can't speak English.
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Scenario: Johnny takes leftover firecrackers from the 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed.
1973 - Ants die.
2006 - BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.
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Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee.  He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary, hugs him to comfort him.
1973 - In a short time Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2006 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job.  She faces 3 years in State Prison.

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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2006, 01:03:58 PM »
'land of the free, home of the brave" are just words in a song they play before sports games.

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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2006, 01:11:13 PM »
My wife's a school psych. From her stories, this one nailed it:

Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students.
1973 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by Principal. Sits still in class.
2006 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability.

in addendum:

2006 - Parents hire an "advocate" (aka lawyer) to sue the school for a costly special program for their child...whom they messed up in the first place for being crappy parents.

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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2006, 01:24:57 PM »
Got to disagree just a bit with this one. Even in 1970 she would have stayed in class. Situation actually happened to one of the girls in my class but they got married after graduation.

Scenario: Mary turns up pregnant.
1973 - 5 High School Boys leave town. Mary does her senior year at a special school for expectant mothers.
2006 - Middle School Counselor calls Planned Parenthood, who notifies the ACLU. Mary is driven to the next state over and gets an abortion without her parent's consent or knowledge. Mary given condoms and told to be more careful next time.


Second option for 2006---

Mary is interviewed by social services, given a rent free apt. food stamps and a list of income per child born out of wedlock. Drops out of school and lives on welfare for the next 35 years with her 15 kids.
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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2006, 01:55:38 PM »
Catholic School scenario

1973: nun slaps you and chokes you with your own tie because you didn't do your homework.

2006: nun slaps you and pinches your cheek, jerking it back and forth making a wet slapping sound because you didn't do your homework.  She didn't choke you with your own tie because you are no longer required to wear one.
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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2006, 02:07:38 PM »
Scenario: Johnny takes leftover firecrackers from the 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed.
1973 - Ants die.
2006 - BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

1971, pretty close,  we were stationed at Fort Riley Ks, 4th of July.  Someone calls the MPs cause someone was firing off fireworks (or causing some sort of disturbance).  My mom dares us to throw a smoke bomb in the back of their jeep while they were off patroling the neighborhood on foot.   We took the dare, and then ran like crazy for the hills behind the housing area, and hid in a ditch for about an hour.  We heard them hollaring for us and looking but eventually they gave up

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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2006, 02:56:07 PM »
gunther....exactly. and that is why we need a voucher system.

I can't vouch for the accuracy of the 2006 scenarios but I can say that being in school in the 60's...  the early scenarios are exactly right according to my personal experiance.

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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2006, 03:02:25 PM »
What a load of be-ollox. The worst bit is that it makes out 1973 to be part of the good old days.  Well I was there and it sure as hell wasn't.

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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2006, 03:15:28 PM »
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What a load of be-ollox. The worst bit is that it makes out 1973 to be part of the good old days.  Well I was there and it sure as hell wasn't.


maybe not in Ireland :)
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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2006, 03:19:42 PM »
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Catholic School scenario

1973: nun slaps you and chokes you with your own tie because you didn't do your homework.

2006: nun slaps you and pinches your cheek, jerking it back and forth making a wet slapping sound because you didn't do your homework.  She didn't choke you with your own tie because you are no longer required to wear one.


I'm a Catholic school teacher.  I'd be fired in a second if I ever slapped a child.

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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2006, 03:22:31 PM »
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Scenario: Johnny takes leftover firecrackers from the 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed.
1973 - Ants die.
2006 - BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

1971, pretty close,  we were stationed at Fort Riley Ks, 4th of July.  Someone calls the MPs cause someone was firing off fireworks (or causing some sort of disturbance).  My mom dares us to throw a smoke bomb in the back of their jeep while they were off patroling the neighborhood on foot.   We took the dare, and then ran like crazy for the hills behind the housing area, and hid in a ditch for about an hour.  We heard them hollaring for us and looking but eventually they gave up


dial tone...beep bop bip bop bip beep beep...ring.....ring.....

"fort riley MP station, seargeant strickland speaking"

"yes, hello rick, i have a lead on that m80 in the jeep incident that has gone unsolved for all these years"

"oh really?!"...(sound of gun being loaded)
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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2006, 03:24:27 PM »
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dial tone...beep bop bip bop bip beep beep...ring.....ring.....

"fort riley MP station, seargeant strickland speaking"

"yes, hello, i have a lead on that m80 in the jeep incident that has gone unsolved for all these years"

"oh really?!"...(sound of gun being loaded)

"hello rick":rofl :rofl :rofl
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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2006, 08:35:37 AM »
don't know what it was like in school past the 60's or what it is like today but the early scenarios were very accurate for the 60's.   Have no idea what catholic school is like today but if a nun or a priest isn't teaching then it isn't like it was.... even so... I bet it is a much better place of learning than any public school around.

In the sixties we took our rifles to school to go to the range and get NRA marksmanship training after being school bused to the range.

Boxing and wrestling were PE required courses for boys.

disruptive students were expelled.

We said the pledge of alligence and I believe the word god was mentioned and no one got too upset.   I think that at one point they said that if you didn't want to say it you could simply sit quietly while it was being recited.

we drove $50 cars to school and payed maybe twice that to insure em for a year on the parents policy.   You could ride a motorcycle at 15 1/2 and no one told you that you had to wear a helmet or wear a seatbelt in a car.

there were maybe 1 in 30 people in school who had divorced parents.

A fight would draw a hundred "spectators" after school and after you knocked the guy down or gave him a good beating you let him be.

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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2006, 10:13:21 AM »
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I'm a Catholic school teacher. I'd be fired in a second if I ever slapped a child. - Eskimo


iknow Eskimo.  The 2006 scenario was hyperbole showing the higher disciplinary standards of parochial schools even today.  btw, I lay teachers, i know it is a bit of a sacrifice for some.
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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2006, 10:24:00 AM »
I think you missed an intervining time here:

Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.
1973 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up best friends. Nobody goes to jail, nobody arrested, nobody expelled.
1988- - Johnny, having seen "Colors" one time too many, goes to his truck, retrieves rifle from gun-rack, and shoots Mark for "dissin'" him.
2006 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.

Not to say that the current glorification of america is a good thing for anything.

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