Mustangs against Japan

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Fruda
Are you suggesting that all Japanese fishermen would willingly beat helpless Americans to death? And are you insinuating that the Japanese somehow magically invaded our country and began killing people in their automobiles, or even would have? Because that was technically impossible, given their relative power and supply issues. I'd also like to ask you if you think that everybody in this country is Christian, or even religious.

Don't think that strawman arguments are even the least bit significant. Just because a person's country involved them in a war doesn't mean that they condone slaughter. To kill somebody and laugh just because somebody they most likely don't even know did the same is far from being right... Or even sane.

A submarine crew slaughtering three hundred helpless Japanese men in the pacific when their ship sank was thought of as "justified", because "they did Pearl Harbor". Did they? How did the submarine crew know that those exact men were involved in the attack? How did they even know that they condoned the sneak attack, much less praised it?

Slaughtering a mass of people who are trying to swim for their lives, just because of something their country got them involved in. There's a word for that.

Pathetic.

He has a pea brain Fruda, don't waste your time.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Sweet2th
Thats just your opinion.As weak is it sounds, it's still your opinion.

Those japanese had no intentions of ever recognizing the geneva convention.They proved that on Bataan.i recently wrapped up reading baa Baa Black sheep by Gegory Boyington and his decription of thier treatment of prisoners confirms it.

So you just go on drivin your honda accord & watching your jane fonda movies.

FISHERMEN WERE NOT MISTREATING PRISONERS!   What does Vietnam have to do with this thread?

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by SKJohn
When I lived in Japan, one of our friends told us about how when he was a child, they had hid under a table in their house while the P-51's were strafing their fishing village.  He watched his 12 yr old older brother take a .50 caliber slug thru his back and die.  Mother was also hit but survived.  

It's very easy to build up a hatred for "those people" because of Pearl Harbor, etc. - until you get to know them as PEOPLE and realize they are just like us.  As in most wars, it was their leaders that got them into the war - not the ordinary people.  But in the end, it is the ordinary people like Mr. Funaki's older brother who end up paying the price. . .

This is quite possibly the best post I have ever seen on this BBS.   Bravo SKJohn!

[4deck]

This is a test I like this in my tag. I just made a funny.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by 4deck
This is a test I like this in my tag. I just made a funny.

It's also too large to use as a signature.   Resize it or you're gonna lose it.

[RELIC]

OK I was going to walk away BUT...  I have read Baa Baa Black Sheep at least 3 or 4 times in my life and Boyington specifically points out how well the Japanese civilians treated them.  From his book, "We were not allowed to speak to them, and they were not allowed to help us in any way.  Yet despite this order they risked beatings to help us out by giving us cigarettes and small pieces of food."  Yes some of the Japanese guards were monsters and Boyington has a rather profound rationale for their behavior.  This can be found in chapter 32.  
In my opinion, Boyington was a pretty decent sort.  He more than anyone had the right to hate the Japanese but he didn't.
Now I suppose it's time to take my own advice from my first post, and go on with my day.  Have a great weekend everyone (even you Sweet2th ) and don't get too hammered on Sunday night!

[sNiPeR]

Originally posted by Fruda


A submarine crew slaughtering three hundred helpless Japanese men in the pacific when their ship sank was thought of as "justified", because "they did Pearl Harbor". Did they? How did the submarine crew know that those exact men were involved in the attack? How did they even know that they condoned the sneak attack, much less praised it?

Slaughtering a mass of people who are trying to swim for their lives, just because of something their country got them involved in. There's a word for that.

Pathetic. [/B]

I dont agree,they wore the uniform or the Japanese Army/Navy and by doing so represent what they stand for and their actions.

Now,If I were in the KKK,and they found me strung up in a tree with my KKK get up on,would you defend me by saying "poor guy,maybe he was a nice non racist KKK guy who got a bad rap from the other KKK guys"?

just an example

[Sweet2th]

Look at the way you gurls respond over somebody's opinion.

I have read Baa Baa Black Sheep at least 3 or 4 times

Then you know how he was treated before he arrived on mainland japan, where those civilians you type of fed them hardly anything and still tryed to beat imformation out of them.Boyington was lucky he was made the kitchen help, what about those other guys?


Do yourself a favor and find a book called : The Fallen by Marc Landas

In that book you'll find out how they executed 31 prisoners of war and performed experiments on 8 P.O.W.'s

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Sweet2th
Do yourself a favor and find a book called : The Fallen by Marc Landas

In that book you'll find out how they executed 31 prisoners of war and performed experiments on 8 P.O.W.'s

I read about the "vivisections" performed on the 8 POW's.   AGAIN, these are performed by the JAPANESE MILITARY SURGEONS.    They are NOT performed by FISHERMEN, CIVILIANS, ETC.   Are you as inept in RL, or are you just being inept for sake of argument?

[Sweet2th]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
I read about the "vivisections" performed on the 8 POW's.   AGAIN, these are performed by the JAPANESE MILITARY SURGEONS.    They are NOT performed by FISHERMEN, CIVILIANS, ETC.   Are you as inept in RL, or are you just being inept for sake of argument?

i wasn't even responding to you.It's obvious you already know everything........

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Sweet2th
i wasn't even responding to you.It's obvious you already know everything........

Hello pot this is kettle ect...ect..ect .




Bronk

[Fruda]

Originally posted by Sweet2th
Thats just your opinion.As weak is it sounds, it's still your opinion.

Those japanese had no intentions of ever recognizing the geneva convention.They proved that on Bataan.i recently wrapped up reading baa Baa Black sheep by Gegory Boyington and his decription of thier treatment of prisoners confirms it.

So you just go on drivin your honda accord & watching your jane fonda movies.

First of all, it's not opinion (except perhaps for the pathetic part, though I'm going to stand fast and call that the truth)... It's called logic.

Ah, the classic "they're doing it, and so should we" argument. We were bound by the Geneva Conventions, pal. Murdering soldiers who could've easily been taken as prisoners goes against those conventions. It's called war crimes.

Okay, don't even go there. I had to sell my car because I didn't have the money to pay for it (and I can't afford another at the moment), and I don't like Jane Fonda. Of course, when I finally have the money to do so, I'd definitely buy a Honda. It'd have to be a Civic, though, because I like compacts, and they get great gas mileage.

[SKJohn]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
This is quite possibly the best post I have ever seen on this BBS.   Bravo SKJohn!

Thank you , sir!  This is a difficult subject for me. In the 6 years that I lived and worked there, I made it a point to talk to older people about some of thier experiences during the war.  After they got to know you, they would open up with a lot of heartbreaking stories about what it was like to be on the receiving end of US air power.
One other example that comes to mind: as many of you know, a lot of people in Tokyo sent their children out to smaller towns and villages in the country to go to school so they would be safe from the continual air-raids in the Kanto-plain (Tokyo) area.  Well, that's fine and dandy until it was an overcast day, the bombers couldn't see their target, and for whatever reason decided to jettison their bombs before they had to RTB with them.  Imagine the heartbreak when your sister informs you that your two daughters won't be returning home during the spring break because a stick of bombs plastered the elementary school they were attending in a small village far outside of Tokyo with NO type of war production (unless farming counts...).

[sNiPeR]

And the Chinese could tell 1000's more like that about the Japs...

[Fruda]

Originally posted by sNiPeR
And the Chinese could tell 1000's more like that about the Japs...

And? Does that somehow make it okay for them or even us to kill their innocent citizens in retaliation?