Author Topic: Mustangs against Japan (Read 2319 times)

sNiPeR · « **Reply #45 on:** December 29, 2006, 10:07:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Fruda
And? Does that somehow make it okay for them or even us to kill their innocent citizens in retaliation?

ummmmm,can you exactly show me where I said it was ok to kill innocent citizens?

MY point was...in every war,there are stories like this against citizens on which soil the war is being fought.

but plz show me where I said its ok to kill the innocent

Baine · « **Reply #46 on:** December 29, 2006, 10:10:18 PM »

I'm sorry.
I know all about Japanese atrocities during WWII.
I read Prang's "Miracle at Midway," where the Japanese sailors, bribed with the prize of a cigarette lighter, bashed American flyers' brains out with fire axes after capturing and interogating them.
I've read about the Bataan death march and the experiments on POWs.
Still, I look at gun camera footage and I can't help but feel sympathy for the poor SOBs stuck in a bomber and knowing they will not be seeing their families again.Or the green kid sent up without any training suddenly finding himself in way over his head and and losing body parts as the .50 slugs rip through his cockpit.
I know I should be cheering, but I can't.
It's part of my upbringing. The part (I like to think) that helped us win that war and has made us what we as a country are.

Sweet2th · « **Reply #47 on:** December 30, 2006, 12:58:03 AM »

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Originally posted by sNiPeR
And the Chinese could tell 1000's more like that about the Japs...

Nothing like Bio-Chemical Warfare, which by the way had full approval of the Japanese government.

Or in Manilla how the Japanese told all the citizen's to go to certain buildings for safety, then the japanese started hauling all thier artillery pieces on top of those buildings so the American forces would shooot at them, over 1 million Filipino's lost thier lives due to the Japanese.

But knowing all this, it still makes me feel good watching those folks run for thie lives, it is best recreated in the movie Full Metal Jacket by a Door Gunner.What was it he said....." GET SOME, GET SOME"

PvtJoker:How can you shoot women & Children?

Door Gunner:It's easy, you just don't lead them as much...ahahahah Ain't WAR hell?

Kweassa · « **Reply #48 on:** December 30, 2006, 09:26:20 AM »

Ahh.. nothing like the smell of classic process of dehumanization.

Who cares about the chinks, gooks, japs, and krauts anyway. As long as they are at the other side of the gun barrel, they're just targets.

Don't be all gay and subtle about giving patriotic support for your homeboys - it's okay to holler and cheer when they're shooting at the enemy. The only instance where you should get angry is when you see another footage from the opposite perspective. I mean, all those mean japs and krauts shooting at our boys.. how can they be so cruel? Those boys got families and loved ones. It's just so sick, man.

It's the manly thing to do, to support your own troops, when they shoot at someone else. So let's not all get hypocrytic about it. That's what war is, and when war happens it's okay to be inhuman.

Sweet2th · « **Reply #49 on:** December 30, 2006, 09:28:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
Ahh.. nothing like the smell of classic process of dehumanization.

Who cares about the chinks, gooks, japs, and krauts anyway. As long as they are at the other side of the gun barrel, they're just targets.

Don't be all gay and subtle about giving patriotic support for your homeboys - it's okay to holler and cheer when they're shooting at the enemy. The only instance where you should get angry is when you see another footage from the opposite perspective. I mean, all those mean japs and krauts shooting at our boys.. how can they be so cruel? Those boys got families and loved ones. It's just so sick, man.

It's the manly thing to do, to support your own troops, when they shoot at someone else. So let's not all get hypocrytic about it. That's what war is, and when war happens it's okay to be inhuman.

Now that was the best post on this BB yet.

Well Typed Kweassa.

RELIC · « **Reply #50 on:** December 30, 2006, 10:32:08 AM »

Whooooooooosh...

Fruda · « **Reply #51 on:** December 30, 2006, 11:14:49 AM »

Yeah, he completely missed the meaning of that one.

Wow.

Bronk · « **Reply #52 on:** December 30, 2006, 05:30:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Fruda
Yeah, he completely missed the meaning of that one.

Wow.

Thats a certain persons lame attempt at baiting .

Bronk

Fruda · « **Reply #53 on:** December 30, 2006, 06:03:00 PM »

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Thats a certain persons lame attempt at baiting .

Bronk

Ah. Well, I haven't honestly seen enough of his posts, and I spend most of my posting time on a forum where when something like that happens, it's because of stupidity rather than baiting.

Kweassa · « **Reply #54 on:** December 30, 2006, 07:33:45 PM »

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Thats a certain persons lame attempt at baiting .

Actually, while it may have been unrecognizable to your primitive brain, it was an obvious attempt on classic cynicism. The whole point was to go down the extremist path to show someone how inhuman and indiscriminate it is to uphold a certain view point that justifies killing people on the grounds of nationality alone.

The problem is, normally I would have expected a very reserved response from the certain person the cynicism was directed at. Since cynics are usually rhetorical and exaggerative, I was expecting him to deny that his opinions were anything like what I've suggested.

But instead, like Fruda said..

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Yeah, he completely missed the meaning of that one.

In a sense, it turned out to be the best outcome ever imaginable. I've thrown bait at the smelliest gutter around, and he fell for it. It effectively exposed to the thread what kind of a person the guy was.

So in the end, mind you Bronk, that it just so happened to become a "certain person's excellent attempt at baiting".

It's only lame if it fails.

Bronk · « **Reply #55 on:** December 30, 2006, 07:40:54 PM »

Ummm Kweassa my post was aimed at sweet2th/autopilot/todd420/Tedstryker/shade/shade's last post.

He was clearly trying to bait.

Sorry if you thought I was targeting you .

Bronk

Softail · « **Reply #56 on:** December 30, 2006, 08:25:19 PM »

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When I lived in Japan, one of our friends told us about how when he was a child, they had hid under a table in their house while the P-51's were strafing their fishing village. He watched his 12 yr old older brother take a .50 caliber slug thru his back and die. Mother was also hit but survived.

It's very easy to build up a hatred for "those people" because of Pearl Harbor, etc. - until you get to know them as PEOPLE and realize they are just like us. As in most wars, it was their leaders that got them into the war - not the ordinary people. But in the end, it is the ordinary people like Mr. Funaki's older brother who end up paying the price. . .

I like something I saw here....lets see if this works...... a little sociological experiment.

It's very easy to build up a hatred for "AMERICANS" because of
"IRAQ", etc. - until you get to know them as PEOPLE and realize they are just like us. As in most wars, it was their leaders that got them into the war - not the ordinary people. But in the end, it is the ordinary people like "ANY SOLIDERS LITTLE BROTHERS NAME HERE" older brother who end up paying the price. . .

Nope... I can't imagine any non-American in the world uttering these words today. Pretty interesting stuff. Keep it coming ;-)

Softail

Guppy35 · « **Reply #57 on:** December 30, 2006, 11:57:50 PM »

Suggest you guys find a copy of the book "Of War and Weddings" by Jerry Yellin.

He was one of those 51 pilots flying off Iwo escorting B29s and shooting up targets in Japan. He talks about that experience and the experience of having to reconcile his wartime 'hate' as his son is going to marry a Japanese woman.

Turns out the Japanese family is dealing with some of the same issues from their side of the war.

A rather fascinating look at what you gents are talking about. In the end they all learn something.

Kurt · « **Reply #58 on:** December 31, 2006, 12:24:53 AM »

I think what bothers me most here is this belief that the American pilots weren't troubled when they shot up civilians.

These guys had a mission. They were to hit what ever target. Civilians were often there.

I've talked to way to many WWII pilots who cry every night even today about what they had to do. Sometimes they did have to shoot the 'innocent'.

I don't know if I can suffer another WWII vet crying as he tells me about shooting down an unarmed German transport plane and killing 20 or 30 soldiers.

You donkey's (jarkarses) act like if you shoot a machine, then its ok, but if you see little arms and legs then it is not ok. I guess you are just one generation too far from the truth.

War is dirty. There is no right. There is only death.

The team with the most young lives to throw on the fire usually wins.

Stop acting like it is somehow less brutal if you believe you are the good guys, its not. Its just blood and death.

Being good at Aces High doesn't amount to a hill of poo compared to what your most hated enemy did to fight your biggest hero in a real war.

I know a lot of AH players are real vets, Iraq, Korea, Nam, Maybe even some from WWII... But what makes me puke is you pencil pushing turds who have never seen the stock of a gun, much less the barrel pointed at your skull.. Talking about whats right and wrong and what is hard and what is not.

This video shows warfare in a day when CNN wasn't looking for houses versus 'targets'. It was a brutal war with a lot of brutal films.

Don't try to pretend that things you see today are more noble, or less deadly.