Author Topic: 262 Bases (Read 1137 times)

Saxman · « **on:** December 28, 2006, 10:19:06 PM »

Ok, 163s are restricted to one base because, even perked, they SERIOUSLY throw off balance when they're in the area.

While not to that extent 262s do the same.

So, how about restricting 262s to the 163 base?

*Awaits the flames and whines*

Hornet33 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 28, 2006, 10:25:57 PM »

Uh why???? 262 isn't that much of a threat unless your flying alone in bombers and even then you can seriously screw up their aim by manuvering a little bit. In a fighter all you have to do is see them coming and then move out of the way. If they slow down and try to manuver then killing them is fairly easy because they handle like a flying brick at slower speeds.

I've never been afraid of a 262 I can see.

Reynolds · « **Reply #2 on:** December 28, 2006, 10:45:22 PM »

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!

262s are hardly that destablizing. Any fighter can take one out with a good enough pilot. While it has speed to its advantage, thats about it. Its actually more vulnerable because of the Gs it experiences. Okay, restrict it, but to no fewer than 1/2 of all bases. Otherwise, it WILL disappear. The 163 has the climb to intercept bombers headed to HQ. 262 doesnt have quite the climb. The 163 is pure bomber intercept. The 262 can do it all. See the difference? Soon they will only be running bomber intercept because of its fuel. Please. N-O!!!!!!!

TW9 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 28, 2006, 11:17:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Hornet33
If they slow down and try to manuver then killing them is fairly easy because they handle like a flying brick at slower speeds.

I've never been afraid of a 262 I can see.

lol have u ever flown a 163 low and slow? its actually one of the best turn fighters in the game.

Lusche · « **Reply #4 on:** December 28, 2006, 11:22:39 PM »

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Originally posted by TW9
lol have u ever flown a 163 low and slow? its actually one of the best turn fighters in the game.

Read the line you did quote from Hornet again.. carefully

TW9 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 28, 2006, 11:47:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Lusche
Read the line you did quote from Hornet again.. carefully

yes i read it he said "they" in reference to both the 163 and 262 flying like bricks at low speeds.. though i agree the 262 does, the 163 is a totally different beast..

Lusche · « **Reply #6 on:** December 29, 2006, 12:02:10 AM »

Hehe, he was only talking about 262, never even mentioning the 163 in his post

EDIT: OMG, I cant believe it... Im starting to hijack & troll the BBS... time to go to bed

HB555 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 29, 2006, 12:20:30 AM »

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Originally posted by TW9
yes i read it he said "they" in reference to both the 163 and 262 flying like bricks at low speeds.. though i agree the 262 does, the 163 is a totally different beast..

TW9,
I disagree....

Hornet33 said,
" Uh why???? 262 isn't that much of a threat unless your flying alone in bombers and even then you can seriously screw up their aim by manuvering a little bit. In a fighter all you have to do is see them coming and then move out of the way. If they slow down and try to manuver then killing them is fairly easy because they handle like a flying brick at slower speeds.

I've never been afraid of a 262 I can see."

He was strictly talking about the 262, with no mention of the 163.
The "they" he refered to was the 262's.

Time for a trip to the optomitrist.

TW9 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 29, 2006, 12:27:07 AM »

lol nah no optomitrists.. just need to give the beers a break.. ya he didnt mention the 163 but he was responding to a post that did.. anyways ya forget it i misread

Saxman · « **Reply #9 on:** December 29, 2006, 01:03:07 AM »

Bear with me, I got a reason for this:

I'm sorry Reynolds, but bomber interception was what the 262 was DESIGNED for. It was Hitler's meddling that tried to turn it into a multi-purpose platform and ground attack plane. A defensive weapon, NOT the offensive uber cherry picking vulch ride it's become in the game (don't believe me? I can't tell you how many times I've been trying to defend an airfield against a horde only to have to see three or four 262s come zipping through at ludicrous speed. I'd rather see a horde of Tempest run dweebs dropping from 20k).

So limit the 262 to specific bases, such as the nearest airfield to each strat target (or possibly the Zone Master itself)

BaldEagl · « **Reply #10 on:** December 29, 2006, 01:10:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Reynolds
The 163 is pure bomber intercept. The 262 can do it all. See the difference?

Not true. I've had some great dog fights on the deck in a 163 against any and every type of prop fighter.

Last week I took down a pair of P-51's. Right after that I was fighting a Spit an F6F and a 190 and got two of them and later that night I broke up a flight of about 30 P-38's. I made every single one of them drop their ord and turn to fight me taking 2. Other than the P-51's my fights were 2-3 sectors from the 163 base.

I flew 4 163 missions that night with no fewer than 2 kills but no more than 3 and landed every one back at the 163 base. Only one was against bombers (3 B-26's on the deck).

And this was just one night among many.

The ME163 is an awsome all-around fighter, has range to go three to four sectors and still get in a fight, can saddle up with the best turn fighters, will out-run and out climb anything else in the game and will almost always bring you home alive with kills.

The 262 simply isn't a match in any catagory and that's why the 163 is restricted. In fact, the 262 really isn't much more than a slightly faster 190.

TW9 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 29, 2006, 01:10:24 AM »

if its limited to certain bases the perk cost should go down accordingly.. personally i think the cost is high enough to where it shouldnt have to be limited.

Funny though. i dont use them for attacking bombers. mainly for hunting goons on the deck. im guessing however if ww2's war was in same format as ah2's war the 262 would have been used in similar fashion..

Reynolds · « **Reply #12 on:** December 29, 2006, 02:20:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Saxman
Bear with me, I got a reason for this:

I'm sorry Reynolds, but bomber interception was what the 262 was DESIGNED for. It was Hitler's meddling that tried to turn it into a multi-purpose platform and ground attack plane. A defensive weapon, NOT the offensive uber cherry picking vulch ride it's become in the game (don't believe me? I can't tell you how many times I've been trying to defend an airfield against a horde only to have to see three or four 262s come zipping through at ludicrous speed. I'd rather see a horde of Tempest run dweebs dropping from 20k).

So limit the 262 to specific bases, such as the nearest airfield to each strat target (or possibly the Zone Master itself)

I am aware what it was designed for. However, the 262 is more than capable against fighters. As is the 163. HOWEVER, the 262 can roam, and engage fighters because it has more than 8 minutes of fuel. However, those 8 minutes get the 163 MUCH higher. IN THE GAME, the 163 needs to be perked because its a better turner, and its LITERALLY a flying rocket. The 262 however has a LOT of disadvantages, and is easily killed simply by being flown by someone who doesnt know it. the 163's wings dont rip off very easily. The 262 falls apart. The 163 is limited to a certain base because even if it was perked higher than the 262, those who could afford them would rip the rest of us a new one, where as a 262 can EASILY be countered with a simple barrel roll, or a split ess or immelman.

And yeah, I know the 163 is a great fighter but because of that rocket its really designed for bomber intercept.

EagleDNY · « **Reply #13 on:** December 29, 2006, 06:07:35 AM »

I could see restricting 262s to large airfields only on account of the increased maintenance and different fuel requirements, but there really isn't a NEED to do so.

I've flown the 262 enough to know that it isn't the uber ride that a lot of people think it is. Pretty much any single engine fighter can evade you - the only weapon you really have is that your speed is so high that you can go from 6.0K out on his 6 to 400yds out on his 6 so fast that you get the kill before they know you are there.

As a bomber interceptor it is tough, but not unbeatable by any shake of the imagination. My last 262 flight I managed to shoot down 2 B-24s of a 30-plane 10-box raid before I caught the .50 cal pilot shot. I didn't make it home and lost the perks (oh well).

There are a lot of other planes I would worry about first. The 262 goon hunter over a town is the worst thing I see, and there are plenty of ways to counter that

EagleDNY
$.02

Lusche · « **Reply #14 on:** December 29, 2006, 08:41:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Saxman
I can't tell you how many times I've been trying to defend an airfield against a horde only to have to see three or four 262s come zipping through at ludicrous speed. I'd rather see a horde of Tempest run dweebs dropping from 20k

Occasionally I see one 262, sometimes two of them but three or more is an extremely rare occurrence. And I would really fear the Tempests in your example, because because just keeping you SA would not save your butt as easily as against the 262s. As others pointed out, when a 262s surprise is gone, it usually has to go elsewhere for cheap kills. A Tempest can stay, turn, fight and you stilll can not run away from it most of the time. I am glad that there are almost no Tempest hordes in this game thanks to the God of Perks & common ignorance