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Offline DREDger

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« on: December 29, 2006, 09:20:18 AM »
Of all the things that people whine about most, it is the ubiquitous HO, the head on.  I want to try to set the record staight as I see it.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING, as ONE PERSON HO'ing ANOTHER.

The fact is, it takes two people to engage in the HO.  You get two stubborn players, going nose to nose, neither wants to give.  Inexorably, one gets the better of the other, or they collide, and the whining starts.  Each one claiming the other of breaking some sacred code of conduct by refusing to yield or get out of the way.  (As if one player clearly has the ROW in any particular case)  

If it wasn't so annoying to read the banter on 200, it would be hilarious.  Think about it, each guy is blaming the other for doing exactly what they were doing themselves.  

It is so easy to avoid a HO if you really want to, a slight jink here and there and you are out of harms way.   Especially if you have an e-advantage, all you have to do is go up.  

Sometimes, I willingly engage in a HO if I feel the odds are in my favor.  For example if I have 110 and the other a P51B, you bet I will.  Or if I up an IL-2 on a heavily capped base; if anyone is dumb or greedy (or impatient) enuf to HO me, oh yes, you bet.

Anyway, that is my take on it.  If I go into an HO situation, I put my odds at about 50/50 of surviving, and 99% chance of taking serious damage.  If I get killed, you certainly won't hear me crying about it.  If I win, you certainly won't see me gloating about it.
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Offline Fruda

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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2006, 09:31:03 AM »
I agree with this. If somebody challenges me properly, I won't fire at them on the pass (and I expect no shots in my direction all the same).

However, if it's just a random encounter and there's a pass, there will be rounds fired at your windshield and engine. I don't care who you are, because if you don't challenge me to a duel and you do a head-on pass, you're getting exactly what you deserve.

It's too much trouble to stay alive when you have to follow some idiotic "rules" that have no place in reality, much less a game. When I pass like that, I expect to be shot at. Everyone else should expect the same.
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Offline bzek74

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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2006, 09:32:54 AM »
Why I love my FW cant be a pimp without my hos. :-p
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2006, 09:37:32 AM »
I think we need a clarification on the deffinition of what a HO is.

To me a HO is when you make an head on merge and the enemy comes screaming in guns a blazing !! If in a 1 on 1 I'll would like to see all head on merges guns cold. The fight should be who can saddle up and then fire to win the fight. I can see when in a furball, ya take any shot ya can, but in a one on one its just a cheap shot.
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2006, 10:43:09 AM »
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
I think we need a clarification on the deffinition of what a HO is.

To me a HO is when you make an head on merge and the enemy comes screaming in guns a blazing !! If in a 1 on 1 I'll would like to see all head on merges guns cold. The fight should be who can saddle up and then fire to win the fight. I can see when in a furball, ya take any shot ya can, but in a one on one its just a cheap shot.


A true "Head-On" is when both planes have a guns solution on each other ... that means a virtual 0 degree deflection shot for both planes.

Anything outside of that is nothing more than a deflection shot (and most, previous to the merge, is a very high deflection shot).

As stated above, a jink here and there will spoil most attempts. I love to see a guy shooting at 1K to 800 out ... that just leads to a "lead turn" and usually within 2 turns and sometimes 1 turn (if he sticks around) ... he is dead.
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2006, 10:45:37 AM »
A HO is a guy that is trying for that face shot because he hasn't a clue as to do when he misses!  Which is what I find when dodging the numerous dweebs that attempt to HO me! :D
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2006, 10:49:52 AM »
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Originally posted by SkyRock
A HO is a guy that is trying for that face shot because he hasn't a clue as to do when he misses!  Which is what I find when dodging the numerous dweebs that attempt to HO me! :D


And then you have the SkyRock interpretation ...  :rolleyes: ... ;)
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Offline Shamus

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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2006, 10:56:06 AM »
When I lose its a no-skill HO by that dweeb, when I win its a beautifully timed front quarter shot.

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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2006, 10:58:16 AM »
I recall about two months before the arena changes (split).   I rolled a Hurricane Mk1.   I was in a 1 vs 1 and this 110G2 came into the fight.   I ho'd him deliberately on two passes.   After the first pass, he was talking trash on 200 after I put a 2 sec burst into his left wing root.   The moron went for the HO again, and guess who won?   The whines on 200 were perfect.   I then shot the other con down, and landed.  

Moral of the story?  Just because you have 30mm, does NOT mean you can properly place the rounds where they need to go.  

Dred, you are wrong on so many levels I won't even bother responding.   All I will say is this, some can only HO.   They are afraid to BnZ, or turn.   Slap and SR have pretty much summed it up perfectly.
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2006, 11:17:39 AM »
Dred, you are wrong on so many levels I won't even bother responding

Well I think you did respond chief.  Curiously, I don't think we are in disagreement though, so I am not sure the basis for your remark.

I generally will not HO against planes or avoid it if possible. Not because I find it to be some breach of ettiquette or AH creedo, but because chances of surviving are so nominal.  I usually fight the B&Z and just keep my E, stay patient and find a better shot.

The point I am making is when 2 planes are merging head on, it is both players fault for carrying it through.  There isn't 'one' guy who engaged in the HO, and the other some hapless victim.  Both are to blame, both should know it, and both, for the love of god, should shut up about it.
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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2006, 11:30:45 AM »
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Originally posted by SlapShot
And then you have the SkyRock interpretation ...  :rolleyes: ... ;)

Slap........all uR Sk1LLz R belong 2 ME!:D
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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2006, 11:41:25 AM »

I smell Noobs.



Why even bother to take a "high deflection" shot when you can play "saddle up" and actually win the fight.  I guess some people just want the "kill" and not the "fight".  It's their 14.95 blah blah blah egocentric, blah blah blah.:)
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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2006, 02:11:25 PM »
not everyone is in a 500 mph 10k dive frog.......as a true veteran of being the bait for timid hordes, yes there is and always will be ho's. It never fails that even in a 5 on one every single con will attempt a ho shot. When im doin 110 mph hangin on the prop its kinda hard to avoid the 3 nikis tryin to ho..
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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2006, 02:37:57 PM »
I love firing my all cartoon bullits into all your cartoon faces :D
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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2006, 03:01:28 PM »
1 thing your right about 99% of ho whines is guy losing the ho. 1% is guy fighting another guy and plane comes into fight and ho's you.  Now 20% of this 1% is guy trying to save another countrymen.




   Headon shots were a part of real combat and taught in flight manuals. in 1939-45.



  But in aces high so many call deflection shots ho. which happens proball half of ho engagements. Some have said I ho'ed them until they saw films posted, the ones you respect will admit they are wrong. The others who cares.



  Now the funny ho od collision ones are the guys going for ho on bomber. formation which is fireing more 50's  at you then any plane in game, and they get collision message in cockpit blame bomber pilot. This is the ones that make me laugh the most. Even had pilots whine i was ho'ing them in a bomber.




  You want to never be ho'ed on merge fly only duels. Because as long as game is here Ho's will never go away.  should they no it was apart of ww2 which this GAME is recreating.  Some pilots in ww2 use to tweak planes to crab in air just to ho other planes,  and ho's were not done by newbies in ww2  Yeager shot down ho'ing 190  and i know of p51 pilot ho'ing 262 for jet kill both pilots died on impacting each other.    And if you want to check my facts on ho's just do search and you'll see my father's flight manual posted on boards explaining ho to Do headon attacks of planes not bombers.




 Whining about ho's, running or type of plane person flys just makes you look stupid on 200 not pilot your talking about
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