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« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2007, 08:05:28 PM »
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Jessica Rabbit

Woooo hoooo .... (Insert catcalls here)


Nothing sublimial here :D


Never realized Roger Rabbit had other cartoons made with baby huey. Great stuff - especially when baby huey ends up in the bull pen and grabs the dudes balls.

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« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2007, 08:22:31 PM »
if you have ever seen 'Bromwell High' it would be a result seeing as no one i have asked has even heard of it.


one of the best cartoons of all time, makes family guy or simpsons seem like a shody 2-bit production.

the sumbliminal messages go on throughout each episode, some blatant, some genius.


this cartoon is most definitely not for kids, and i highly recomend you watch it.

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« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2007, 10:10:36 AM »
laser... I had a different take on robin hood.

I saw it as taking back from the government and giving back to the people.

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« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2007, 10:31:03 AM »
No, you think they say government, but they don't.  They say rich.  Hell, being rich is inherently seen as evil these days.
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« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2007, 10:35:07 AM »
I do not remember the cartoon, but 10 years ago or so, there was a big flair up about some animators placing something subliminal in it, and they apparently did not do it corectly, and it was almost blatant.  Anyone remember which it was?
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« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2007, 10:37:50 AM »
laser...In the case of "robin hood"...   weren't  "the rich" simply nobles who got their wealth from charging extremely high tax rates and therefore dragging the population into poverty?

sorry to ruin one of your best soundbites tho.

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« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2007, 10:48:33 AM »
They would have you believe that, but they really weren't.
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« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2007, 11:09:42 AM »
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I do not remember the cartoon, but 10 years ago or so, there was a big flair up about some animators placing something subliminal in it, and they apparently did not do it corectly, and it was almost blatant.  Anyone remember which it was?


In the Lion King, there is a dustcloud that forms the letters S-F-X, which was a nod to the special effects team that worked on that segment. It was widely misinterpreted as S-E-X. :)
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« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2007, 11:57:01 AM »
I dunno.  I have never been able to go to a movie and watch it from a political perspective.  I thought movies were all about entertainment.  If the movie is fun, then I like it.  If it is depressing, then I hate it.

I think the Lion King is great entertainment and it takes from the actual structure of the animal kingdom.  In the wild, the lion is top dog on the food chain.  But that aside, I really enjoyed the characters and the premise of the story.  Well told.  Pretty entertaining.

So I guess the underlying message concept is lost on me.  I dunt get it.
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« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2007, 12:15:07 PM »
Media by their nature inform and/or entertain, usually a combination of the two.  Hard to have one without the other.  

The lion has good PR as king of the beasts, but would have a tough time one on one against an elephant, rhino, hippo, crocodille, tiger, cape buffalo, grizzly bear, and several others.  True, not all those are in the usual lion realm, but many are.

And naturally, like hyenas, lions are more effective hunting in packs, and that's usually done by all the females in the polygamous pride.  Usually the prey is a meaty baby of a toothless species.  Predators normally don't fight each other because even the winner might sustain too much damage.

Occasionally turf wars are inevitable, and then the pack fights are interesting too, somewhat like West Side Story. When their alpha male is away, female lions sometimes have a tough time when too many hyenas, led by a female (!), gang up on them.  Apparently the larger male lion eventually often returns from his wider roaming and crunches the hyena's female leader.

Gotta be a lot of lessons in that, but I just enjoy the ebb and flow and heroics on the Documentary channel.  For us lucky humans at the top of the food chain, that's entertainment, and a lot of information too.  

In The Lion King, Disney is just making money on the usual convenient stereotypes.  But I think adults are obligated to point out to kids whenever the entertainment and "suspension of disbelief" (to quote some famous critic) need footnoting.
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« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2007, 03:05:14 PM »
wanna talk about stereotypes? Re-watch Cinderella:p

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« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2007, 04:26:16 PM »
Speaking of Robin Hood ...

i swear i hear this when trolling AH  :noid
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« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2007, 08:27:04 PM »
Great trolling theme song, Roscoroo.  :lol
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« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2007, 10:00:50 PM »
Hmmmm:

Had one of the regular Japanimation movies on the second of the national channels here last eve - at the end of WWII a middle-school student struggles to prevent his 3 year-old sister from starving.

Didn't watch much, for obvious reasons.

The most blatant crud for kids which I've seen recently is "Happy Feet" - locally-produced animated effort about penguins.

My little daughter liked it well enough, which was the main point, and is still too young to have tuned into the political crud. But as political crud goes, gawd it was crass.

I could almost here the marketing types sitting around a table saying "Yeah, yeah, we need a 'just be yourself' theme in this part." "And here, we could stick in a swipe at organised religion." "Oh, and of course we'll have some nice easy solutions for the environmental theme. Yeah yeah, and a strong female character opposite a simple-minded Dad."

I was almost forced to shoot myself, as I'm sure the creative guys were. Toy Story was an actual story - Happy Feet is some clever animation and that's it.

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« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2007, 12:00:54 PM »
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ANY Disney film has layers upon layers of subliminal social programming. I'm more of a Cowboy Bebop fan.


Cowboy Bebop??

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