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Offline rabbidrabbit

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« on: January 03, 2007, 12:12:26 PM »
OK,

Is there anything good for putting a razor edge on my kitchen knives?  I use a hone to refresh the edge but it would be nice to have something that quickly and easily reforms the edge back.  I know I could use a stone but is there something else quick and easy to zip them through?  I realized the sharp that I normally keep does not equal the uber sharp that my news ones came with.

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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2007, 01:48:56 PM »
the sharpest of brand new knifes for cookery are almost certainly crafted by machines.


to achive this you will need to practice the tech regularly.

there is no gizmo or gadget that can rival a good wet stone and a good tech, imo, although some fancy gizmos do give you  a sharp knife with little to no effort.


i use the stone slab foundation of my front door step when i have nothing else.
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Re: good knife sharpener?
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2007, 04:08:04 PM »
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OK,

Is there anything good for putting a razor edge on my kitchen knives?  I use a hone to refresh the edge but it would be nice to have something that quickly and easily reforms the edge back.  I know I could use a stone but is there something else quick and easy to zip them through?  I realized the sharp that I normally keep does not equal the uber sharp that my news ones came with.


A waterstone will work, along with ceramic crock sticks and even a diamond embedded honing stone.  Most 'automatic' sharpeners I've tried do a poor job at best.  Here is a link to a sharpening system that seems credible:
http://www.edgeproinc.com/

I don't own that system, but have nearly spent as much on waterstones.  I know of nothing that will 'quickly and easy' zip through sharpening a knife.  It seems like someone would have invented a 'quick and easy' knife sharpening system by now, but I've never found it.  Then again, the spring loaded mouse trap with peanut butter works pretty well.  

Maybe you can take your knives to a shop and have them sharpened?  I sharpen my own, but it's not really something to do unless you like that sort of thing. A smooth sharp edge on a kitchen knife is not so easy to achive and should be used carefully, not for cutting bones, frozen food, or plastic packaging, but only for slicing soft food.   Also, if you use a wood cutting block along with ceramic crock sticks then you can go years without having to resharpen the knife.   While that doesn't help now, it's something to consider.

All in all, I believe the answer is no.


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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2007, 04:35:21 PM »
Get a Lansky knife sharpening kit with the diamond stones. It will not only put a razor edge on a knife, it will put an edge that looks better than the factory edge.

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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2007, 04:38:12 PM »
i have a very old Oster electric sharpener with two counter rotating wheels, it make your knives cut like they were on a TV infomercial.

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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2007, 04:39:42 PM »
Back in the day, while I still needed a combat knife to be sharpened regularly, we would use an Arkansas stone to take any serious dullness from the edge. Usually used a light oil for this. Then we "honed" the edge to a razor sharpness with what is now called a sharpening steel. You can probably still purchase then at any reputable knife shop. I'm not blowing smoke here, when we got finished, you could literally shave the hair off your arm with the edge. But be carefull afterward, any slippage and you could potentially loose a digit. :aok

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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2007, 05:12:56 PM »
I sharpen all my hunting and kitchen knives with a sharping gizmo I bought at the hardware store about 4-5 years ago.  Plastic thing, says "Smith's" on it, yellow safety handle, 2 small replaceable "flints" held at an angle in it.  25-50 quick licks through it and I can shave with it (and yes, I test it by running it lightly across the back of my hands and watching the hair fly.)...the secret is to not let your knives get dull ;)  Everytime I use one of my hunting knives I re-hone it.  As long as you have a good edge to start with this bugger will sharpen a knife to a razor edge in less than 5 minutes.  Best $2 I ever spent!

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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2007, 05:27:23 PM »
I like to use ceramic for sharpening or diamond. I have the diamond equivalent of a butcher's steel, about the same length and about 3/4 of an inch wide. It isn't flat, it's rounded on both sides. I use this to get the knife started.

After I get the knife reasonably sharp with the diamond rod I use a  LanskyŽ Turn-Box Crock Stick Knife Sharpener. You can find one here:

Lansky

They are cheaper at Academy Sports. I get a near razor sharp edge with this Crock stick knife sharpener. I can and do maintain a razor edge on my pocket knife with it but for kitchen use I prefer to get it almost razor sharp and I sharpen the knife everytime I use it. Seems some items cut easier if the edge isn't totaly smooth.

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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2007, 06:38:51 PM »
Lansky

This kit works well. Just be carefull to not bend the rods.


Another company makes one just like it, with fixed rods, but I have never tried it.


I have some diamond ones that you have to be carefull of the angle since its all by hand, but I can get a knife sharp enough to shave the hair of your arm with them.

The lansky setup works better since it keeps the angle right for you.

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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2007, 06:47:18 PM »
I use a system very similar to the Lanski. It has 3 grades of stones and can bring a rather dull blade to razor edge. It takes a bit of practice to get the technique but it is quick once you get the hang of it.
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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2007, 07:08:28 PM »
This one.

Had one for over 25 years, works great.
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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2007, 07:35:15 PM »
I have mastered the art of shaveable knives, with a simple trick.  Even though Y'all are losers, I'll part with this trick, because I kind of like you guys.

Gatco systems are better then lanskies: http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=GA10004 but they still require practice, knowledge and common sense.  For example, you work with your rougher stones more, and thus grind them down.  But the problem comes when you switch to finer grit stones.  You don't use these as much, so they are no worn down.  If you use them the exact same way you will not be able to touch the edge because the angles of attack are minutely different.

The trick is to hold the stone so that the guide rod is at the bottom of the guide when you use coarser grits, and you have the guide rod at the top the guide with finer grits.  Basically, if the edge is facing you, push down on the front for coarse, lift up for fine.



The next trick is rather simple, but incredibly powerful.  Get yourself a buffing wheel to put on a spinning grind stone.  Put buffing compound on it.  Then buff down the edge.  If you want, you can move into finer buffing compounds.  

Voila!  You now have a knife edge that can push cut.  That means it can cut just by pushing it, not by slicing.  This is very difficult to obtain.

If you don't have a grinding wheel set up, you can use a dremel.  It's a little bit more difficult, but still doable.

It's a misnomer, but your standard kitchen steel:

IS NOT FOR SHARPENING.  During the standard use of a knife, especially one with an extremely sharp edge, the edge point can drift or start to curl to one side or the other.  The steel simply pushes the edge point back on center.  To use it, lightly go over the edge pulling away from the edge.  LIGHTLY.

Never go towards the edge.  If you even have a remotely sharp edge, the edge will bite into the steel, and either break or dull.
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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2007, 08:30:58 PM »
Toad that's the same system I have. It works great even on serated edges.
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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2007, 08:50:57 PM »
I dissagree with Lasersailer


Sharpening Steels work great provided the knife isnt  duller then a butter knife to begin with.

and the DO actually sharpen and not simply bend edges back in place



If the knife is super dull already I'd start with a stone and finish it to a fine edge with a steel just as CpMorgan discribes.

About the only thing I find they dont work real well for is pocket style buck knifes and such. They are simply too small and your better off with a very fine stone


But for Kitchen style carving knives they work great

Has for me for the last 35 years anyway

I can consistantly give you Deli thin sliced meat sharpening them that way.
Which is why I always get to carve and slice whatever gets cooked at family gatherings LOL

Sharp enough for ya?
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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2007, 08:52:56 PM »
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Toad that's the same system I have. It works great even on serated edges.


serated edge isnt a knife

Its a Saw LOL
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