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Offline Bronk

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« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2007, 05:32:09 PM »
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Really Bat . Walk up into a pride of lions.  I don't care if they are hungry or not you will be mauled.

Now just like animals you walk unannounced and uninvited into someones home. You can expect the same treatment the lions would give you.


Hell even ants do the same. Get real close to a red ant mound and see what happens.

Dude pass it on you've had enough.



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« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2007, 05:50:46 PM »
the only reason the lions would attack me is either because they were starving, or if i acted with either a threatening manner, or a petrified manner.

in other words more simply for people who call 'BS' on anything they dont like.....


()they will kill me for food.


()they will kill me to eliminate the threat i might pose  to them.


()they will kill me if i show fear.


thier justification is part of the natural moral code implanted in them through evolution that they will act upon without realising or thinking about it.




most intresting for me is the third bullet point there.



kill me if i show fear?


what is naturlly moral about that you may ask



its quite simple, if i show fear to them, i have either done something that means i deserve thier punishment, or that i know i am a very tasty meal and know they will enjoy eating me.


both of these reasons that i might show fear to them are perfectly good natural reasons for them to take an interest in me.


the only animal on he planet that kills for lust, greed, anger or flight of fancy on a regular bases is the human being.

ironic that we should claim to be the only ones on the planet with a true and fair moral code.


nature has morals far better than ours, it doesnt even take much soul searching to uncover them from the depths (or shallows) of your mind.
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« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2007, 05:59:12 PM »
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they will kill me to eliminate the threat i might pose to them.


Ding

Thats why they will kill you regardless of what you do.
They don't want you in their space period end of story.

Just keep on spinning it to fit your view though.

Tell ya what go to the zoo.  Let us all know how it works out when you jump into the lion enclosure.

Make sure you take what your on now so you wont be scared.
Wouldn't want that to mess up the experiment.:D


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« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2007, 06:08:41 PM »
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the only animal on he planet that kills for lust, greed, anger or flight of fancy on a regular bases is the human being.



Ohhh really.

http://www.chimpcollaboratory.org/news/ahr3.asp

Care to try again.


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« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2007, 06:11:01 PM »
shallow bronk, very poor, your first post.


about the chimps, they are closer to becoming human than most animals. they may have evolved to ignore natural codes and decide thier own laws.


they may have fits of outrageous violence spured by instant reactions to situations, but i doubt they truly conspire to kill another lifeform and plan the attack for some time before. they react instantly to a situation, they dont not decide on a course of action and then follow it through for the purposes of simply killing for the sake of killing.


back to the Lion



you firstly misunderstand the 'threat' reason for them attacking me.


for them to attack me i must first pose a threat in the body laguange and my actions.


the problem, and the reason you are confused, is in two parts.


 first that years of theatening action by humans have associated the human form with threat personified.


secondly, that i would wager every single human that has been mauled or killed by a lion has either been acting as a threat openly, or been wetting themself with fear openly.





a Lion in the zoo is not commanded by nature's laws.

it is commaded by human laws, it is surrounded by humans day in day out, it watches hundreds of physically weaker lifeforms walk around its cage day in day out, with no chance to eliminate the threats and therefore over time the lion becomes more human. governed by human laws, its eventually adopts them in fvour of the natural laws in its makeup.


when some fool jumps into his pen, the lion acts as a human.

he kills that human in his enclosure simply because he is really pissed off with life and has learnt the values of captivity, freedom, natural life, unatural life and most of all he has learnt the values of hate and revenge.

he learnt them all from studying humans.


think about that for a while
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« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2007, 06:19:30 PM »





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« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2007, 06:20:57 PM »
pathetic.


I can see you're done with making worthwhile contributions.
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« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2007, 06:22:05 PM »


Artful Dodger is a nimble and elusive Warrior. When strongly attacked he changes the subject with a diversionary counterattack. For example, if in a moment of pique his opponent refers to him to him as a "sonofa*****", Artful Dodger will not only demand a public apology for the insult to his own mother, but will castigate his opponent on behalf all mothers everywhere. Knowing full well that staying on topic works to his disadvantage, Artful Dodger will not allow himself to be pinned down.


Just keep on spinning.



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« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2007, 06:23:40 PM »
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pathetic.


I can see you're done with making worthwhile contributions.


Lmao you did a long way back.

Figured I'd start with the inane posts also .



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« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2007, 06:25:24 PM »
Ohh and your still a thief if you rip a friends CD for you own use.


Done with you .

Spin on and on and on.



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« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2007, 06:30:45 PM »
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Artful Dodger is a nimble and elusive Warrior. When strongly attacked he changes the subject with a diversionary counterattack. For example, if in a moment of pique his opponent refers to him to him as a "sonofa*****", Artful Dodger will not only demand a public apology for the insult to his own mother, but will castigate his opponent on behalf all mothers everywhere. Knowing full well that staying on topic works to his disadvantage, Artful Dodger will not allow himself to be pinned down.


Just keep on spinning.



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i am one of the very few people on this forum, possibly in life altogether, that maintains my viewpoint no matter what is thrown in my direction.

i have answered your posts in great detail, often on subjects that should not even be hard to understand for a small child.


unless your only intention in this thread is to bait me into a personal argument, and therefore lower the worth of my words, then i pity you.


if not that, i have no clue why you enter such a topic and post in such a manner.
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« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2007, 06:30:58 PM »
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Somebody needs to change the bong water.


Here's a helpful hint: adding a very small amount of mouthwash (about 5% concentration) to your bongwater will keep your bong from tasting nasty much longer between cleanings.

Remember: a clean bong is a happy bong.

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« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2007, 06:35:50 PM »
bongs are for people who just want to get high in the same way a shot of spirits is for people who want to get drunk.


a rolled joint is for them who wish to appreciate the smoke, take in the flavours, and not get high and like a fool, in the same way the vineyard owner drinks a single glass of his finest red wine and recorks the bottle.




both methods can be alot of pleasure at the right moments.



but....is it moraly right to do this to the cannabis plant :D
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« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2007, 06:55:09 PM »
Stealing is wrong, whether it's a cigarette or a mountain of gold. It's wrong. No room for compromise. But in society there is a graduated series of punishments for theft.

Murder is wrong but depending on your interpretation of the sixth commandment, Killing is OK as long as it's justified. That's where human law comes into play. In certain countries execution for murder is morally acceptable but in most it's considered morally unacceptable and in fact murder. Killing in war is OK too but that is where it gets very messy and ambigious.  

But there tends to be a general taboo against killing other humans in most societies not surprisingly.

The answer really is that we set the rules to suit ourselves. We can invoke a God to support our cause or use patriotism or whatever 'ism' we like.  We can even murder other people as long as we can justify it to ourselves or we have the approval of the group or country or religion or 'ism' we belong to. The Nazis being the classic example.

There is no one morality. We all have our own. Often it coincides with whatever group we are part of. Even if it doesn't we tend to obey the rules set for us by other people in the group. The lawmakers whether elected by us or not, decide.  We obey or pay the consequences, which sometimes is to be put to death by others whose morality allows them to do so.

Remember stealing was once a capital crime in certain situations. Even children were hanged. The people who did so no doubt felt morally secure. Who are we to say they were wrong? In their minds the thief was a much a threat to society as the lions would be to b@tfink or b@tfink is to the lions??

If one day that group decided killing an insect is murder. Then so be it. Watch where you walk:noid
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« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2007, 07:00:53 PM »
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bongs are for people who just want to get high in the same way a shot of spirits is for people who want to get drunk.


a rolled joint is for them who wish to appreciate the smoke, take in the flavours, and not get high and like a fool, in the same way the vineyard owner drinks a single glass of his finest red wine and recorks the bottle.




both methods can be alot of pleasure at the right moments.



but....is it moraly right to do this to the cannabis plant :D


OK, this thread just took a big ol' turn into sillydom.

Please let me help you..

1. nature has no "morals".
2. smoking weed to appreciate the flavor is like drinking everclear cause you like the taste....
3. party on dude