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Offline Sasarasa

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« on: January 05, 2007, 06:42:42 PM »
Been searching for the right section to post it. If it's not the right one, feel fre to move it.

Last night entered in a 2 vs 2 combat, we were on a Bf-109 and a C-205 (me), and the other guys were flying f-4u. In the middle of the fight my partner tells me: I ripped his wing of, and he's still flying!.
Not only that guy keeps flying, also was able to shoot me down and safely land his plane. It was impressive.

The pilot was CpMorgan.
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Offline SuperDud

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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2007, 06:52:01 PM »
If you have film send it to HTC. Either a bug or the big "C" word!:noid
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2007, 07:00:55 PM »
probably lost a wingtip, or just an aileron. i know morgan, he aint no cheat, he's a great guy.
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2007, 07:05:01 PM »
^^ what he said.
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2007, 07:05:13 PM »
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If you have film send it to HTC. Either a bug or the big "C" word!:noid


Not necessarily. He may have only lost a half wing. And with luck & skill you can actually land in most planes.

I remember being called a cheap cheater in a similar situation. While flying an Il-2, an Ostwind smashed my right wing. I was to far away from airfield, but with flaps and lots of rudder I was luckily able to ditch my plane in a forest aisle. After I came back w/ new plane and killed that Ostwind, the other guy accused me of pulling the plug (=intentional disco to prevent getting him a kill - which wouldn´t even work that way) :D
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2007, 07:23:00 PM »
he more than likely was missing just 1/2 the wing,  me and Schatzi got into a 2 vs 2 battle with Boozer and another Rook, they were in P51s Schatzi in her Hurri and me in an F4U-1, I lost 1/2 a wing  and was able to still fly and get Boozer's wingy but Boozer eventually worked me over using maneuvers that played to the weak side of my plane ( the missing  1/2 wing ) as long as I turned with my good wing on the outside of the turn, I was able to manage it, but each time I went in the direction of where the 1/2 wing was on the outside of the turning direction, it made it difficult to recover or level back out quickly........

and of course the ability to use flaps still helped as well........

Think Schatzi has that film some where.......

edit: geez, I must type real slow, Lusche  had not posted yet when I started to reply.....heh
« Last Edit: January 05, 2007, 07:32:05 PM by TequilaChaser »
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2007, 07:23:25 PM »
I did that with an FM2 only this morning...

Lost half a wing in collision and was able to limp to the runway.
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2007, 08:07:57 PM »
I really didn't want to post this myself at first because of all the potental flac it would cause. So when I saw Sasarasa in the TA today, I asked him to go ahead and post this fight here so there was an "outside observer view" to what happened. I was in a F4U-1 over A1 in the Orange arena late last night having fun with Sas and GETSUM fitin over the GV area. They had come over A1 to CAP the field I was comming up from. ENY had negated the F4U-1A I was flyin so I grabbed a F4U-1 from another base. I met them at alt over A1 and was fitin both. I got some good hits on both AC and the FW190 was smokin pretty good. Then I got hit from the FW and took off 1/2 of my left wing. With a LOT of rudder and flaps, I was able to upright the craft and level off some. Sas flew in front of me and I took him out, BANG, without having to deflect any. It was a pure snapshot. I'm fitin like blazes just to keep the AC up when the FW comes in to finish me. I let off a little rudder and my AC goes really sideways and the FW overshoots. I get another ping off him and he flys into the ACK, POOF gone. Now I got 2 kills and I'm just trying to stay in the air. Lucky I was over my own base, cause I don't think I coulda went very far in the condition I was in. I limped around to the runway and belly landed in. End of story. Broke a sweat, pumped a LOT of adrenelin, had LOADS of fun. Thanks Sasarasa and GETSUN for a good fite. to both of you guys.  :aok
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2007, 08:13:35 PM »
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Originally posted by CpMorgan
I really didn't want to post this myself at first because of all the potental flac it would cause. So when I saw Sasarasa in the TA today, I asked him to go ahead and post this fight here so there was an "outside observer view" to what happened. I was in a F4U-1 over A1 in the Orange arena late last night having fun with Sas and GETSUM fitin over the GV area. They had come over A1 to CAP the field I was comming up from. ENY had negated the F4U-1A I was flyin so I grabbed a F4U-1 from another base. I met them at alt over A1 and was fitin both. I got some good hits on both AC and the FW190 was smokin pretty good. Then I got hit from the FW and took off 1/2 of my left wing. With a LOT of rudder and flaps, I was able to upright the craft and level off some. Sas flew in front of me and I took him out, BANG, without having to deflect any. It was a pure snapshot. I'm fitin like blazes just to keep the AC up when the FW comes in to finish me. I let off a little rudder and my AC goes really sideways and the FW overshoots. I get another ping off him and he flys into the ACK, POOF gone. Now I got 2 kills and I'm just trying to stay in the air. Lucky I was over my own base, cause I don't think I coulda went very far in the condition I was in. I limped around to the runway and belly landed in. End of story. Broke a sweat, pumped a LOT of adrenelin, had LOADS of fun. Thanks Sasarasa and GETSUN for a good fite. to both of you guys.  :aok


:huh.... Please tell me you fly Knights... Cause I dont wanna meet you with a complete aircraft otherwise
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2007, 10:32:19 PM »
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If you have film send it to HTC. Either a bug or the big "C" word!:noid


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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2007, 02:55:38 AM »
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Originally posted by CpMorgan
I really didn't want to post this myself at first because of all the potental flac it would cause. So when I saw Sasarasa in the TA today, I asked him to go ahead and post this fight here so there was an "outside observer view" to what happened. I was in a F4U-1 over A1 in the Orange arena late last night having fun with Sas and GETSUM fitin over the GV area. They had come over A1 to CAP the field I was comming up from. ENY had negated the F4U-1A I was flyin so I grabbed a F4U-1 from another base. I met them at alt over A1 and was fitin both. I got some good hits on both AC and the FW190 was smokin pretty good. Then I got hit from the FW and took off 1/2 of my left wing. With a LOT of rudder and flaps, I was able to upright the craft and level off some. Sas flew in front of me and I took him out, BANG, without having to deflect any. It was a pure snapshot. I'm fitin like blazes just to keep the AC up when the FW comes in to finish me. I let off a little rudder and my AC goes really sideways and the FW overshoots. I get another ping off him and he flys into the ACK, POOF gone. Now I got 2 kills and I'm just trying to stay in the air. Lucky I was over my own base, cause I don't think I coulda went very far in the condition I was in. I limped around to the runway and belly landed in. End of story. Broke a sweat, pumped a LOT of adrenelin, had LOADS of fun. Thanks Sasarasa and GETSUN for a good fite. to both of you guys.  :aok


Nice flying Morgan!:aok
Wish I'd be luckier next time. :D
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Offline Trikky

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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2007, 02:59:38 AM »
Anyone know why some planes carry on flying without a wingtip and others dont? Is it representative of something or just arbitrary?

Eg the Pink 51 flys faster without a wingtip, almost worth knocking them both off on a hangar when you spawn. Spits and F4U's can still manoeuver enough to shoot C47s down, while with others its almost certain death.
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Offline Benny Moore

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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2007, 03:33:36 AM »
The determining factor in the game is probably wingloading.  In reality, it would be a number of factors (wingloading, liftloading, and some other things which I don't understand) which would determine how much of a wing an airplane can lose and still fly.  Obviously, the more G's one pulls missing a half a wing, the better that half a wing needs to be.

I actually was out-turned in a 360 degree turn the other day by a La-7 the wing of which I had blown half off in my P-38.  While I'm sure a better P-38 pilot could have avoided it (and I did let up on him for a bit, thinking he was crippled), it's still, er, interesting that a La-7 can pull enough G's with one and a half wings to do a 360 degree turn tight enough and fast enough to put lead into another actively maneuvering aircraft, one flown by a well-above average pilot.
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Offline eilif

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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2007, 03:36:21 AM »
Its probably is more related to a game play element than a physics reality.
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Offline Benny Moore

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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2007, 03:49:34 AM »
There have been many accounts, complete with pictures, of fighters missing half of a wing and landing.  From the Lockheed P-38 and the Republic P-47 to the McDonnell Douglas F/A-18 and F-15, quite a few aircraft have managed to do this.  In the case of the latter, the airplane was missing all but two feet of the wing.  On the other hand, actively maneuvering in aerial combat has not been, as far as I know, successfully performed under such circumstances.  My guess is that it was all the pilots could do to keep their ships flying straight and level.
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