Jeremy Clarkson-The Good The Bad The Ugly

[john9001]

cost 300,000 pounds and they still havn't fixed the porsche oversteer problem.

[Viking]

What? Fix one of the most charming traditional characteristics of a Porsche?

[moot]

I thought understeer was its problem..

[Viking]

Naw. Porsche's traditional rear mounted engine makes them heavy in the arse, so said arse have a tendency to want to come out and play in the corners. That is preferable to under steering though.

[moot]

Driving it like an FR (letting the fronts do the work, rather than playing with the rear's weight transfer to rotate into the bend) at corner entry tends to induce understeer, from what I've heard and semi-experienced.
Mid corner and past the apex are another story..

[Debonair]

Originally posted by Mini D
Actually, it's nothing like that.  The fact that you even equate automobiles to something as disposable as a cell phone shows what you actually think about automobiles. I suppose it's conditioning.

u shoudlant just throw away cel fones
it is littaring:mad:

[Mini D]

Originally posted by Viking
Naw. Porsche's traditional rear mounted engine makes them heavy in the arse, so said arse have a tendency to want to come out and play in the corners. That is preferable to under steering though.

Oversteer is preferable to understeer, but Porsche suffers from a snap oversteer. The rear comes around almost instantly. This has always been the case. The 4wd cars reduce it, but the tendancy is still there.

Take the video, for example. You don't have 10-15 tries to get a corner right on the road.

If this were the Corvette, he'd be saying "Incredible track car, horrible for the roads... Americans just can't get it right" and you'd be loving it even more.

[lazs2]

moot is not that far off...porche suffers from initial understeer changing to a rapid and uncontrollable oversteer.  It makes some say the car is not drivable at the limits and others to say it is a "professionals" car.

So what do you drive fstfwd?   It is a prius isn't it?

lazs

[moot]

I dunno about profesional's, but you surely can't lead foot it as much as average cars, near the limit.
I agree though, that although you either like it, or don't, it's (rear engined, rear wheel drive as well made as Porsche's) definitely a staple of automotion.

I speculate FastFwd drives a pretty nondescript car.

[Bronk]

Didn't he say some thing similar about the viper?

Tons of grip but till it lets go. The viper gives little to no warning when  it does.

Sounds a bit like the Porsche.


Bronk

[Viking]

A European "axe murderer" perhaps.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Viking
A European "axe murderer" perhaps.

So why is the Viper an ax murder, but the Porsche a drivers car?



Bronk

[Viking]

Who said the Porsche was a "driver's car" (whatever that means)?

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Viking
Who said the Porsche was a "driver's car" (whatever that means)?

Way to nit pick. JC nothing but praise for the Porsche. Even though it takes a high level of skill to ride it on the edge.

Yet the viper is an "ax murder" for the same traits.

Lemme guess you like to argue the definition of "IS".


A "driver's car"  is one that that has the capabilities to go fast, either in a straight line or around corners. But this car requires a highly skilled driver to get that performance out of it.

Basically a car that has no computer assist driving aids.  IE traction control stability control and the like.


Bronk

[john9001]

Originally posted by Viking
Who said the Porsche was a "driver's car" (whatever that means)?

must be something like a "german road car" with "teutonic engineering".