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« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2007, 08:42:11 AM »
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Wasn't the German officer oath changed when Hitler took power?

Before they swore an oath to Germany.

After they swore an oath to Hitler.

Thats not a small difference.


As for allied war atrocities how about Dresden?

Some can argue the strategic significance of that bombing.

Reynolds you really should think a bit more before posting.


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« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2007, 11:33:58 AM »
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Hmm, lets see... SS and the Gestapo arrested and gassed prisoners. The luftwaffe didnt.



And I'm sure the Nippon airmen did not go on a rampage like their foot soldiers.  Like you said earlier Luftwaffe airmen did not participate in mass extermination like their  foot soldiers.

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« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2007, 12:01:06 PM »
/em Looks over the huge threadjack.  :O

Ahhh yeah I'd like to see new planes in the game as well...... :huh
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« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2007, 12:09:08 PM »
*votes for P-39*

Oh...oops, I thought this thread was about planes that Aces High forgot...  :confused:
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« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2007, 02:25:46 PM »
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Aircraft like the MiG-1 and MiG-3 were minor players compared to the Yaks and Lavochkins.

How many people know that Stalin ordered an end to their production?

Stalin sent a telegram to the factory managers building the MiG-3 and its AM-35 engines and stated: "We need IL-2s, not MiGs! Let this be the final warning to both of you. -No. P533 Stalin" The MiGs were largely ineffective and poor handling handling aircraft. MiG-3 production halted immediately.

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Widewing


True, but nevertheless, almost 4,000 MiG-3s were built during the war. We have quite a few aircraft in here that saw production numbers well below 500.

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« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2007, 02:49:16 PM »
Looks like AH forgot that the Russians fought and bore the brunt of the mighty Luftwaffe from 1941 to 1943.  We have no early war and we only have limited mid war and late war planes for the Soviet AF

I don't blame AH.  Information on most Soviet WWII planes only surfaced when Maddox games released "IL-2 Sturmovik" in 2001.  

Let me guess,  prior to IL-2 Sturmovik release, no one in the WWII flight sim community have heard of Lavochkins (La-5, La-7s), Yakovlevs (Yak-9s), and even the the game's namesake... Il-2 "Sturmovik"(!)
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« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2007, 03:29:44 PM »
I want a Mig-3 .....over 3200 units produced it's crime to not have them!!  ....sorry widewing....but i want one!!
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« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2007, 03:30:12 PM »
WOW im so lost on this whole post..........
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« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2007, 05:36:51 PM »
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Sorry. Silly me. I thought civilian lives counted for as much as military lives.

Wehrmacht. Eastern Front. Ought to cover it.

If not, this may help.

http://www.amazon.com/German-Army-Genocide-Prisoners-Civilians/dp/1565845250

Refer to your original statement re: "the SUPREME HIGH COMMAND was part of the Nazi holocaust. But the average, every-day pilot or infantry officer wasnt."


THERE WE GO! ACTUAL DOCUMENTATION! I stand corrected here scherf. Thank you for posting some evidence of an average soldier being corrupted.

But yeah, we need some new planes, particularly the He-111 and the B-25. The He-111 WILL be used. This last week, ENY has been ****ing the knights HARD. We were reduced to running raids with Ju-88s in the LWMAs, because anything else had too low of an ENY. Even B-17Gs and B-24s were locked out. I dont think the Heinkel would be quite as much of a hangar queen as people imagine. And the B-25 is just a sexy plane. Sometimes a medium bomber is what we need, and not to insult the Marauder, but its just ugly ;)

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« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2007, 06:38:35 PM »
this is the stupidest thread I have ever seen.
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« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2007, 06:49:07 PM »
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this is the stupidest thread I have ever seen.


You've OBVIOUSLY forgotten Revor...

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« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2007, 06:55:51 AM »
Can you send them G.55/I and Re2005,too?:)

I got some good information about the two planes. ¡õ

By red admiral

Summary of report on German tests at Giudonia during 1943


The G-55 was seen as most favourable of the tested Italian planes

G-55:
- Armament: 1 MG-151/20 and 4 12.7 mm MG.
- High forces on the aileron.
- Effect of rudder could be better.
- Plane curves very good and narrow.
- Slightly uneasy in "mid position" (shooting position).
- Pitch to any side could not be noticed, similiar to Spitfire.
- Moderate pilot view on take off, during flight limit to front above, good to sides and backwards.
- Worse pilot view than the German planes.
- Aeronautical not as good as German planes.
- Not useable as fighterbomber with bomb under fuselage.
- Equal to German planes in climb and high altitude performance.
- Inferior in speed by 25 km/h, but Italian produced DB 605 delivered 100 PS less than the German.
- Superior in armament and range to the German planes.
- Ability to install DB 603 without bigger modifications.
- Was evaluated as best Italian plane in the trials.

Macchi 205 V:
- Armament: 4 12.7 mm MG.
- Unstable in lateral axis.
- Very high effect of rudder.
- Tendency to "Uberziehen" (stall ?).
- Forces on aileron and rolling good.
- Moderate pilot view on take-off, during flight limit to front above, good to sides and backwards.
- Will be only produced in small numbers since it is a temporary solution.

Macchi 205 N:
- Armament: 1 MG-151/20 and 4 12.7 mm MG.
- Mass production variant of DB 605.
- Good rudder effect.
- Was smoothly in "mid position" (shooting position).
- Rolling good.
- Rudder forces a little smaller than for Bf 109 G-4.
- Cooler too small for constant climbing and use in tropical environment.
- Moderate pilot view on take-off, during flight limit to front above, good to sides and backwards.
- Wing not solid but made of three parts, plane not suited for fighter-bomber use.

Reggiane 2005:
- Armament: 3 MG-151/20 and 2 12.7 mm MG.
- Aeronautical attributes were sufficient.
- Curves well, rolling like Bf 109 G-4 with rudder forces a little less.
- Take-offs and landings easy.
- Pilot seat a little too far away from control stick.
- Not suited as fighter-bomber due to size and location of cooler.
- Moderate pilot view on take-off, during flight limit to front above, good to sides and backwards.

The German's suggested that the G.55 become the standard fighter of the axis nations, replacing both the Bf109 and Fw190 because of its superior performance. This was not practical because of the ease of production of the Bf109 mentioned before.

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By jank

In a little known mission, on August 4, 1944, an Aeritalia test pilot who apparently was an allied spy flew a G.55 across enemy lines. The plane was taken to England and evaluated at the Tangmere test facility. The incident apparently caused the Germans to halt further Aeritalia/Fiat production which ended in September of 1944.

I have never seen any of the test documents but I understand from others who know more about this episode that the Brits were quite impressed (one characterization I heard was "shocked") with it in relation to the Spitfire.

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I forget who write this.

Fiat G55
Max Speed 375mph at 6000m, 387 at 7,000m, 391 at 8000m
climb 7.2min to 6000m, 8.57min to 7000m, 10.18min to 8000m
Range (Internal) 746miles at 304mph, (2x22gal DT) 1,025miles at 354mph
Armament 1 x 20 with 380 rpg, 2 x 20 with 200 rpg, 2 x 12.7 with 300 rpg

Only one example M.M.91194 was fitted with a dummy torpedo and was fitted with a longer tailleg for ground clearence.

The thing that impressed me was the Ammo load. Most planes carried around 150rpg for the 20. The G55 could fire all day.

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By jabberwocky

Fiat G.55 Maximum Climb rate 3,300-3,900 feet per minute
Macchi 205- Maximum climb rate 3,900 feet per minute
Re-2005; Maximum Climb rate 3,750 feet per minute

all from  http://www.ww2aircraft.net/

Maybe G.55 is a Italian N1K2J.So beautful:aok

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« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2007, 02:54:37 PM »
The G.55 was good, yes, but how many were produced, and how many of those produced actually saw combat?

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« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2007, 02:26:28 AM »
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Originally posted by Fruda
The G.55 was good, yes, but how many were produced, and how many of those produced actually saw combat?


Oh! I don't think this is problem. N1K2J only 400. C.205 maybe 262.

G.55's production continued to August,1944. The most production number I heared is 274.

But the important thing is G.55 and Re2005 still a part in WW2's Italy and Germany. And G.55 and Re2005 was good enough,why not to fly them? :)

Actually I want more like P40N , P63C , Ki44 , Ki100...etc.....:D
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« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2007, 04:25:12 PM »
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Looks like AH forgot that the Russians fought and bore the brunt of the mighty Luftwaffe from 1941 to 1943.  We have no early war and we only have limited mid war and late war planes for the Soviet AF

I don't blame AH.  Information on most Soviet WWII planes only surfaced when Maddox games released "IL-2 Sturmovik" in 2001.  

Let me guess,  prior to IL-2 Sturmovik release, no one in the WWII flight sim community have heard of Lavochkins (La-5, La-7s), Yakovlevs (Yak-9s), and even the the game's namesake... Il-2 "Sturmovik"(!)


The Yak, La5 and Il2 were all represented in Air Warrior way way back in 1996.