Yanking the trigger

[VermGhost]

Is there any way to prevent this?

to me this happens a lot when I get HO'ed by a HO'er or I am stressed out trying to bag a kill.  I move my stick a little to correct for lead and go for a shot, but when I pull the trigger the stick is yanked a bit messing me up.

Any idea other than practice and patientce to get this bad habit dehabitized?

[hammer]

I use a thumb button as my main trigger.

[Murdr]

Ha!  I've found myself doing this over the years myself.  I fell back on military training..."Squeeze the trigger, dont jerk".  Id actually picture a practice excercise we used to do,  (We would leave a section of a cleaning rod hang out of the barrel, balance a penny on it, and practice dry firing without losing the penny.) and try to squeeze the stick trigger in the same smooth manner.  Not really a direct help there, but maybe that will give you an idea on how to tackle the problem.

[Damionte]

Originally posted by Murdr
Ha!  I've found myself doing this over the years myself.  I fell back on military training..."Squeeze the trigger, dont jerk".  Id actually picture a practice excercise we used to do,  (We would leave a section of a cleaning rod hang out of the barrel, balance a penny on it, and practice dry firing without losing the penny.) and try to squeeze the stick trigger in the same smooth manner.  Not really a direct help there, but maybe that will give you an idea on how to tackle the problem.

What !?!

[Murdr]

What?

[CpMorgan]

Murdr,
   We used a similar technique to practice trigger squeeze with a small wooden dowel that had a small flat surface sanded on one side. It really showed just how much yanking of the trigger was being done. Any ex-military out there that can confirm this? I believe it was a common teaching tool during basic rifle marksmanship training. Or has things changed that much since I've been active?

[Murdr]

Like I said, when I went through in 88 we used a cleaning rod section.  We weren't instructed to do it though, it was more of a word of mouth excercise.

[NoQtr]

Originally posted by hammer
I use a thumb button as my main trigger.

I do the same, it took me a bit to get used to, but has paid off for the most part.

[Simaril]

Never mind..was supposed to be a new post.

[DREDger]

I use the thumb button for my machine gun and secondary's.  I use the actual 'trigger' button as my view up switch...so I can squeeze index finger to look up, then hat around to have my 'up-back, up-left' etc.  

Takes some getting used to, to each his own I guess.  

Tell you one thing I always mess up when getting excited, I have a twisty stick for rudder.  I get excited and twist by accident, make me loose some E unnecessarily.

[Traveler]

What you might try doing is in the off line version.   There is an endless supply of bandits at any airfield you takeoff from.  You are not trying to learn how to position your aircraft, but you want to just concentrate on the trigger squeeze.  Back in the day the Army instructors had some  very colorful words to describe a part of the female anatomy that was supposed to replace the trigger, but you get the idea. Try taking off just one wing tip.  Or an HO shot on just the cockpit.

We used a cleaning rode and penny to learn trigger squeeze control in 66. Each cleaning rood had a flat end with a slot in it that the cleaning swab snaked through allowing you to pull the swab back through the barrel.

My understanding is that it was a hold over from WWI.  USMC used it as a standard training tool.  Everyone was first taught to dry fire the weapon.  Most other branches adopted this trick of the trade.

 I was introduced to it first in basic training, then AIT and finally in ARMY Special Forces.  SF used it to train on every shoulder fired weapon used, also each pistol that was used for qualification. We used a pencil on the 45, 38 and Browning 9MM  SF also used a 22 long pistol was very quite, made less noise then the  9MM silenced.

It worked very well as a training tool and could be employed either as a primary training tool or used later on for someone that had not learned this trick to control trigger squeeze.  

I know that it is still used today to help control “trigger jerk” at the Special Warfare School.   In 1966 all Special Forces had to qualify in the ninety percentile with every weapon that SF used .   That included  several CHICOM weapons such as the AK47 and SKS51.

[Schatzi]

Originally posted by DREDger
I use the thumb button for my machine gun and secondary's.  I use the actual 'trigger' button as my view up switch...so I can squeeze index finger to look up, then hat around to have my 'up-back, up-left' etc.  

Takes some getting used to, to each his own I guess.  


Before I got my X45, I did the very same thing. On my cheap stick, i had to remove hands from rudder in a fight to look up - changing it to the index trigger made my flying a LOT smoother .

Tell you one thing I always mess up when getting excited, I have a twisty stick for rudder.  I get excited and twist by accident, make me loose some E unnecessarily.


Try adding a little more deadband to the Rudder Axis - see if that helps avoid the involuntary input.

OPTIONS > CONTROLS > Map Controller, select your Rudder Axis (Z-Rotation), then check the ADVANCED box. After changing any scaling, do not forget to recalibrate!

[Mace2004]

Hummm, I thought I was the only one that used the trigger as the up modifier.  I also use a thumb button for the trigger but it's not on the stick, it's on the throttle quadrant.  Works well but I suppose I'm just being lazy.

Mace

[Subsection]

Originally posted by DREDger
 I have a twisty stick for rudder.  I get excited and twist by accident

I do that sometimes, too...  hate that

[1cemanVS]

my new x52 comes with a "toggle" to turn rudder twist on and off..quite handy

but not as useful as i thought, as i used small rudder movements alot more than i thought, got the stick, toggled it off, thought it shud help my flying, in my opinion it suffered slightly so turned it back on

but then the x52 has quite a bit twist radius, so u have quite a big deadband already, and u really have to give it some to get the max rudder