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Offline Dos Equis

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« Reply #210 on: January 17, 2007, 05:31:21 PM »
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maybe before we evacuate our forces from Iraq we can get pelosi to annex those oil fields.  At least until we get out money back :aok


I keep saying, let's spend the money on oil pumps. Get as much out of the ground as possible in the next two years. Boost the strategic oil reserve.
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« Reply #211 on: January 17, 2007, 07:10:14 PM »
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WACK!
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And yet we keep voting democrats into office. :p
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« Reply #212 on: January 18, 2007, 12:17:47 PM »
Robert Novak's essay on Iraq being a "black hole" for the GOP is worth a perusal.  If not alone for conservative and respected voices w/in the GOP salient opinions.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/01/the_gops_black_hole.html

For those of you bent on an American "empire," skip it.  The short read will vex you.

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« Reply #213 on: January 18, 2007, 12:23:40 PM »
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And yet we keep voting democrats into office. :p


Yeah... those bastages have been in power for over a week now! It must be their fault.
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« Reply #214 on: January 18, 2007, 01:30:37 PM »
Novak has always been an odd character to me.  This peice is quite linear in its depth, or lack thereof.  Interesting little fragment of a larger picture though.
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« Reply #215 on: January 18, 2007, 02:39:59 PM »
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Interesting little fragment of a larger picture though.


Very much so Yeager, and one which we all suffer from in here due to a variety of reasons.  Fragments of a larger picture that is.

We're in a pickle in Iraq.  Much less so than the Iraqis themselves.  

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« Reply #216 on: January 18, 2007, 02:55:11 PM »
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Yeah... those bastages have been in power for over a week now! It must be their fault.


If we'd handled Saddam differently beginning in '91 we might not have had him thumbing his nose at us and the UN for so many years and might not have had to kick his bellybutton outta power.
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« Reply #217 on: January 18, 2007, 03:19:24 PM »
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If we'd handled Saddam differently beginning in '91 we might not have had him thumbing his nose at us and the UN for so many years and might not have had to kick his bellybutton outta power.


That's bogus and you should know that. If we had gone to bagdad and taken him out we would have been fightng a unified coalition of arab countries immediately afterwards. The entire coalition effort mandated leaving him in place. It wasn't a military decision to stop where we did, it was a political one to avoid having to start fighting all of our, up till then allies, with our forces in the middle.
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« Reply #218 on: January 18, 2007, 03:21:25 PM »
We should have left him in power but made it clear to him that we would remove him if he did not behave and do as he was told........oh wait a tic :rolleyes:
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« Reply #219 on: January 18, 2007, 04:19:59 PM »
I'm not saying we should have taken him out sooner. I think we, the US and the UN, handled him poorly all those years leading him to think he could get away with rejecting the terms of his surrender. Stern military action at the beginning likely would have kept him in line.
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« Reply #220 on: January 18, 2007, 06:54:06 PM »
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Without Reagan's aggressive buildup of our military in the 80's there's a good chance most of Europe would be speaking commie today. Oh wait....


Thats a mighty big jump Lukster, my rant ended 10 years before Reagan showed the russians that we have more money than they do... How did Reagan get in here?  I never said a word about him, and you have no idea what my opinion about him could possibly be.

(he was a genious by the way) because he did with simple fear what GW can't even do with actual guns.
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« Reply #221 on: January 19, 2007, 01:59:21 AM »
Ex-commander of all forces in Middle East nixes Bush plan.

Division commander in Gulf War 1 nixes Bush plan.

Ex-head of Army Intelligence doubtful of Bush plan.

Former Army Chief of Staff supports Bush plan.  Admits success depends upon the unknown quantity of current Iraqi gov't.

Retired Generals' opinion.  

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/18/politics/main2369869.shtml

I do hope things turn out better than this forecasts.

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« Reply #222 on: January 19, 2007, 08:57:42 AM »
there is a reason they are "retired generals"
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« Reply #223 on: January 19, 2007, 09:50:10 AM »
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Thank you Lukster for protecting us from the commies.


You're welcome.
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« Reply #224 on: January 19, 2007, 11:15:37 AM »
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there is a reason they are "retired generals"


Yup, owning to their grey hair.

Or, John, do you call into question the quality of their strategic/tactical thinking and evaluative ability and/or their patriotism?

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