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Offline stockli

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« Reply #105 on: January 16, 2007, 11:33:39 AM »
I only complain about ho'ing when it happens when they have an obvious advantage in numbers.

5 nikis on my p51 and one comes nose to nose and rips your prop with cannon.

It ticks me off.

Would it happen in real life, maybe.  It still pisses me off though.
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Offline dtango

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« Reply #106 on: January 16, 2007, 12:05:45 PM »
Some rambling thoughts:

(1) Defining HO's reminds me very much of the definition of ACM.  In the USAF ACM has a strict definition and that is used for maneuvers in a 2v1 where aircraft are working in concert.  Yet people here use ACM to mean 1v1 maneuvering.  So in the same way folks will call Forward Quarter shots HO's.

(2) A face shot is a face shot no matter if you're 0 lead angle off the nose going "beak to beak" or if the shooter has 60 degree lead angle off of the bandit's nose.  The target is being shot in the forward quarter.

(3) There's no shame in taking a HO or forward quarter shot.  A shot is a shot.  The object is to shoot the other guy down.  Take what you can get.

(4) Getting a forward quarter shot or HO is independent of your skill in air combat.  You might have used all the tactics and maneuvers in the world to get that shot.  You might not have.

(5) If I happen to be the one being hit in the front quarter, my plane is the flight path of my advesary's bullets.  Whether I like it or not I've maneuverd my plane into a position to get hit in the front quarter either unintentionally or by choice.    If I don't like that then I should figure out ways I can stay out of them next time :)!

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« Reply #107 on: January 16, 2007, 12:09:32 PM »
Please share with us that strict definition and tell us how it differs from the USN definition. Seems some here don't believe me.
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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #108 on: January 16, 2007, 12:13:44 PM »
game has guns, rockets and bombs and you use those to kill other dweebs just like yourself.  You guys trying to impose some set of rules might as well just go suck on an exhaust pipe.  Play the game as best you can and stop your whimperish toddler like whining.
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« Reply #109 on: January 16, 2007, 12:21:15 PM »
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game has guns, rockets and bombs and you use those to kill other dweebs just like yourself.  You guys trying to impose some set of rules might as well just go suck on an exhaust pipe.  Play the game as best you can and stop your whimperish toddler like whining.


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Offline Ack-Ack

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« Reply #110 on: January 16, 2007, 12:21:46 PM »
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Look at it like this... at some point in that turning whateveryoucallit... it becomes less HOish.  But, in the end, it's still just so much HO style firing.  Here's another angle... would those shots have registered in AW?  No, most wouldn't.  Why?  Because HO's were/are/will be a pain in the oscar that most would rather do without.  I'm not saying in any way these are shots that should not be taken... I would.  But this is just a part of the reason I no longer engage in the tight turning stall fight.  9 times out of 10 you end up in a joust, if and ONLY if someone else doesn't jump in cherry one of ya.



Yes, those shots would have counted in AW as I took deflection snaps shots like that all the time.  So to summarize, front quarter deflection shots are not HOs and yes, they did register in AW.


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« Reply #111 on: January 16, 2007, 12:24:26 PM »
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when one plane does not fire on the first merge in an attempt to set up a decent fight, and the other plane does.




Hate to burst any bubbles, but the majority of the time when the other guy doesn't shoot at the merge isn't because he's trying to set up a good fight.  It's because he doesn't have a gun solution.


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Offline Bronk

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« Reply #112 on: January 16, 2007, 12:24:47 PM »
The term "Head On" give the impression that if no action is taken.

The 2 objects will collide .

The farther you get away from 0 degrees the less chance of that happening.

So I say a face shot is much different than a HO .

If I can shoot you in the face but you cant do the same it's not a HO.




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Offline SkyRock

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« Reply #113 on: January 16, 2007, 12:27:20 PM »
AKAK.......defender of all things HO!  :aok
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« Reply #114 on: January 16, 2007, 12:35:52 PM »
Where am I defending the HO?  Or are you just to stupid to comprehend what is being said?  


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« Reply #115 on: January 16, 2007, 12:37:01 PM »
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Where am I defending the HO?  Or are you just to stupid to comprehend what is being said?  


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That would be the later.:D

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« Reply #116 on: January 16, 2007, 12:40:09 PM »
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Hate to burst any bubbles, but the majority of the time when the other guy doesn't shoot at the merge isn't because he's trying to set up a good fight.  It's because he doesn't have a gun solution.


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Hmmm, not sure I'd agree with that one.  I'm sure it's true in some cases but more and more lately I'm seeing guys not shooting at the merge and working it for the fight instead.

It's actually been better that way as of late.
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Offline Bronk

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« Reply #117 on: January 16, 2007, 12:45:14 PM »
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/head%20on

head-on     /ˈhɛdˈɒn, -ˈɔn/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hed-on, -awn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1.   (of two objects) meeting with the fronts or heads foremost: a head-on collision.
2.   facing the direction of forward motion or alignment; frontal.
3.   characterized by direct opposition: a head-on confrontation.
–adverb
4.   with the front or head foremost, esp. in a collision: She stepped out of the front door and walked head-on into her husband.

Hmm no mention of angles.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Wonder why.

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« Reply #118 on: January 16, 2007, 01:21:13 PM »
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Hate to burst any bubbles, but the majority of the time when the other guy doesn't shoot at the merge isn't because he's trying to set up a good fight.  It's because he doesn't have a gun solution.


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I disagree because I know I'm not the only one who holds off shooting on the first merge in a 1 on 1 fight. In the typical near nose-to-nose merges we are talking about, I don't see how both parties couldn't have a gun solution on the first pass if they both wanted to.
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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #119 on: January 16, 2007, 01:26:14 PM »
I always try to take a shot any time the trajectory from my gun barrels have a decent chance of intersecting the target.  Thats why I pay my money.
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