FYI This is not a "HO":)

[humble]

I'm always amazed just how much "HO whinning" there is on 200. Yes they do happen {and yes 99% of them ar avoidable}. But I bet 80% of all HO whines are on shots just like this one.....

[Bronk]

Yea,  don't think he had gun solution on you there humble.



Bronk

[Kermit de frog]

High Deflection Shot

Classic example that shows the "kill" types and not the "fighting" types.

Lots prefer to actually fight and earn the 6 six shot.  Many, sadly are giving up because they feel that they "suck" and will never get better at dogfighting.

This picture is hard to tell what is going on here.  We do not know if this was a head to head merge with your opponent trying to maneuver to get out the way and you taking a cheap shot.

Or this guy may have been trying to reverse on you and decided not to pull too hard, otherwise a head to head situation may occur and so he did his job of avoiding a possible HO.

One can explain this to many people over and over, but some people will just choose to not want to understand.  Humble, it's up to you to realize what the true situation is.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Kermit de frog
High Deflection Shot

Classic example that shows the "kill" types and not the "fighting" types.

Lots prefer to actually fight and earn the 6 six shot.  Many, sadly are giving up because they feel that they "suck" and will never get better at dogfighting.

This picture is hard to tell what is going on here.  We do not know if this was a head to head merge with your opponent trying to maneuver to get out the way and you taking a cheap shot.

Or this guy may have been trying to reverse on you and decided not to pull too hard, otherwise a head to head situation may occur and so he did his job of avoiding a possible HO.

One can explain this to many people over and over, but some people will just choose to not want to understand.  Humble, it's up to you to realize what the true situation is.

Film posted in help section.

Think you'll change your tune once you see it.

Bronk

[bzek74]

lol this ho debate will never die...if the two people didnt make each other targets it wouldnt have happend...I wont let someone come at me wondering if he will hold fire...Kill or be killed and hope the debris doesnt get you when its done.

                                                            90prf

[humble]

Originally posted by Kermit de frog
High Deflection Shot

Classic example that shows the "kill" types and not the "fighting" types.

Lots prefer to actually fight and earn the 6 six shot.  Many, sadly are giving up because they feel that they "suck" and will never get better at dogfighting.

This picture is hard to tell what is going on here.  We do not know if this was a head to head merge with your opponent trying to maneuver to get out the way and you taking a cheap shot.

Or this guy may have been trying to reverse on you and decided not to pull too hard, otherwise a head to head situation may occur and so he did his job of avoiding a possible HO.

One can explain this to many people over and over, but some people will just choose to not want to understand.  Humble, it's up to you to realize what the true situation is.

To let you "earn" my 6 anytime your up to it. It seems to me that some people (are you one of them?) really dont understand ACM. Front quarter shots are an inherant part of aircombat and are central to the "two circle" fight which is just as "correct" as the more common one circle fight.

The bottom line is simple, both planes have boresighted guns (fighters). Your goal is to manuever your plane in such a way that you can damage/destroy the other guy. A good lead turn is not a HO, a good merge that leads to a front quarter shot on "remerge" is not a HO. A midgame defensive conversion to a two circle fight (what happened here) is not a HO.

Now the individual in question didnt call it such, I simply posted it here to clarify what appears to be a more and more common misconception. If you fly in front of the other guys gunsight dont get pissed if he shoots you:).

BTW I was actually defending against the FQ shot right up till I popped him in the canopy....

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Kermit de frog


One can explain this to many people over and over, but some people will just choose to not want to understand.  Humble, it's up to you to realize what the true situation is.

The true situation is that you no clue as to what you are talking about.

Why is Humble any less of a "fighter" pilot that you are just because he was able to maneuver into a position that gave him a fantastic front quarter angle shot?  Why is anyone less of a "fighter" pilot than you because they don't wait until they only have a dead 6 shot?  Why do you have such trouble comprehending what ACM is?

Take your moronic sense of elitism somewhere else.

ack-ack

[Major Biggles]

humble/snaphook is one of the top notch fighter pilots in AH, and even greater hog pilot. he's been training people for ages, even you would benefit from some sessions with him kermit, don't be so jumpy you silly muppet

[killnu]

thinking what kermit was tryin to say is...you cant tell from the screenshot, if the la7 quit pulling and tried to do something to get out of way...after reviewing film, def not the case.

been many a time that i give up those shots (on me) by quit pulling on stick, cuz i see that if i do keep pulling, we will headon for possible collsion and HO shot at best, so ill back off stick and try to get under nose of con...doesnt always work.  I know i take my fair share of high deflection shots... but irritates me when it happens to me...mostly because i shouldve seen it coming sooner and did something different and that i didnt keep pulling and at least get a shot because i know that the other guy wouldve and that he wouldve taken the HO shot or collided.

point is, i dont think he was really "attacking" humble for the shot he took...was giving his opinion on the screenie as compared to what he see's in game.

nice shot humble  btw.

[SlapShot]

That is a beautiful front-quarter cockpit shot ... I'll take that one ALL day long in the MA.

[jhookt]

i agree with kermit. the typical AH dream of being a good stick has died. i've been playing a year and the transition the game has taken in that time has been drastic and for the worse. i can't imagine what the gameplay phases have been like for some of u that have been playing for longer than me. i dont think anyone really cares to be good in 1v2 and 1v3 situations, everyone just wants thier name to pop up in the text buffer.

maybe i am being pessimistic. but finding someone interested in a good fight is getting to be rare. and i suppose i could go sit in the AvA and wait for 3 or 4 people to trickle in but that doesn't hold my attention for long.

i guess what i am trying to get at is i still haven't seen the advantages of the new multi arena format and all the changes that have come about since then. i am absolutely certain that the win the war style of gameplay is dead what with the introduction of the higher %,  the uncapturable fields, and the lack of new maps. and i suppose the response to that is i should build new maps but what kind of service is HT providing when the consumer has to 1) pay for it all 2)create the conditions for the game to be played 3) applaud him the entire time.

so i will end the last bit of my rant on the the latest trend of the hurray hitech threads. i know 15 bucks aint a ton of money but i definetly dont send ford letters with my car payment thanking them for such a wonderful vehicle even tho the headlights dont work and the alignment is off.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by jhookt


i guess what i am trying to get at is i still haven't seen the advantages of the new multi arena format and all the changes that have come about since then. i am absolutely certain that the win the war style of gameplay is dead what with the introduction of the higher %,  the uncapturable fields, and the lack of new maps. and i suppose the response to that is i should build new maps but what kind of service is HT providing when the consumer has to 1) pay for it all 2)create the conditions for the game to be played 3) applaud him the entire time.

so i will end the last bit of my rant on the the latest trend of the hurray hitech threads. i know 15 bucks aint a ton of money but i definetly dont send ford letters with my car payment thanking them for such a wonderful vehicle even tho the headlights dont work and the alignment is off.

WTF????!!?????

Holy whine batman.

 

What has this to do with a front quarter deflection shot ?

The whine about arenas thread is about 5 or 6 pages back .  Go whine there.

Bronk

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by jhookt
i agree with kermit. the typical AH dream of being a good stick has died.  

Please tell us how that shot from Humble is an example of the "AH dream of  being a good stick has died"?  I mean, you've been here all of a year now, you should be able to answer such an easy question.


ack-ack

[jhookt]

"Classic example that shows the "kill" types and not the "fighting" types"


simple enough or do u need it written in crayon

[humble]

Been there many times....often vs blukitty and other "reverse artists".  And I whine as much as the next guy (or gal)). The fundemental truth is that 90% of the time the other guys nose is around 1st if you (me/we) back off. At best we have a tie but we "know" we cant get around. The simple truth is that "we" lost the fight a few monents earlier and just didnt find out till we were looking into the other guys muzzle.

The reality is that very little seperates the best pilots....often just a few degree's of angle seperate winning and losing when it comes to getting the nose around 1st. In this case however it was simply a true two circle fight, I had to defend the "HO" on the 1st pass and he kept pulling back into me into the second pass. I simply managed the "merge" (was in defensive leadturn) then relaxed the pursuit curve once it was clear he wouldnt get around). Had he successfully "HO'd" me it would have been nothing but poor flying on my part. He might well have felt the 3 20mm was a good match vs the ponies 4 x .50's.

This was exactly the shot I was looking for when I forced the two circle. Had he managed his E better I'd have rolled the otherway converted to a vertical lead turn and saddled up on him. I simply "cashed in" the shot I earned.