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Offline LePaul

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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2007, 11:10:53 PM »
Personal responsibility is going extinct, i see.

She worked for a Dr's office, complained of terrible headaches...and went home.  Not the hospital.  

Sure, the lawyers will snark in and reap millions for her DUMB actions.

But...again, why take responsibility?  No one else does these days.

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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2007, 12:57:24 AM »
I only have 1 question.

Did she at least win?
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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2007, 01:32:31 AM »
Yea, if my Mom croaked trying to win me a game console, I'd be pretty pissed if I didn't have a game to play after the funeral.

:huh

As for liability for her death, I'd personally say that it's probably *fair* to hold the station at least partially liable.  They held a public stunt that has potential lethal results without the appropriate medical staff present and without taking appropriate measures to reduce the risk to the participants.  Informed consent as a liability waiver is only valid when the risks involved are fully understood AND some measure of due care has been exercised towards the stunt participants.

I know of at least a dozen ways I could trick people into signing a liability waiver and then having them voluntarily do something that would almost certainly kill them.  If I did so, wouldn't it make sense to hold me at least partially liable for any deaths that occur as a result?  Well, that's what this radio station did.  The fact that they did not know that death is a completely forseeable consequence of drinking too much water does not reduce their liability.  In fact, it compounds their involvement as it shows that they did not exercise any degree of care in researching their stunt.

If it goes to civil court I expect the radio station would lose and lose bad, and they may even be guilty of criminal offenses regarding registering potentially fatal stunts with the appropriate government authorities.  There are any number of ways to show that they didn't think this through, and a good lawyer wouldn't have much trouble equating this sort of thing to a contest for how many sheet metal screws you could swallow, how long you could hold your breath, how long you could breath helium before passing out, or any number of other potentially fatal stunts.
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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2007, 07:44:36 AM »
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I only have 1 question.

Did she at least win?
:rofl
no she lost, whch means not only did her own stupidity kill her, she also died a looser.
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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2007, 08:04:38 AM »
What's a "looser"?  I thought that was the opposite of "tighter".

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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2007, 08:12:27 AM »
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/16466226.htm

''It is sad that a mother had to lose her life to get something for her kids,'' he said. ``None of us knew this could be a risk to our health.''

Gina Sherrod, who competed with Strange in the contest, said her family listened to the radio show, and told her that a nurse was on air warning that drinking too much water is dangerous. Sherrod said a DJ rebuffed the nurse, saying the contestants signed waivers that addressed only publicity issues and made no mention of health or safety concerns.

Sherrod said she had no idea what risk she had taken until she saw news of Strange's death.

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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2007, 08:18:51 AM »
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http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/16466226.htm

''It is sad that a mother had to lose her life to get something for her kids,'' he said. ``None of us knew this could be a risk to our health.''

Gina Sherrod, who competed with Strange in the contest, said her family listened to the radio show, and told her that a nurse was on air warning that drinking too much water is dangerous. Sherrod said a DJ rebuffed the nurse, saying the contestants signed waivers that addressed only publicity issues and made no mention of health or safety concerns.

Sherrod said she had no idea what risk she had taken until she saw news of Strange's death.


sounds like Darwin was sleeping on the job:rofl
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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2007, 08:24:55 AM »
Stupidity should be fatal, and in her case was. Plus looks like it will probably kill the radio station along with it. Ohhh well

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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2007, 08:32:51 AM »
There's all kinda precedent here.
There was a case a few years back where a High School got a great idea at a rally to haul out some blocks of dry ice and have a competition where the cheerleader who managed to sit the longest on the dry ice was a winner. Many tulips were lost: some to frostbite, some to lawsuits.

Yes, there is something to be said for personal responsibility. But when you hold and host a public competition, you need to do due diligence to ensure the fundamental well being of the participants. If you hold a marathon, you make sure the contestants know they are engaging in a risky sport, and you make sure they know what the risks are, and what the symptoms of severe medical problems are as well. You put that information at their disposal: it's in your interest too.
It's even worse when the whole point is to do something dangerous. Eating competitions have medical personnel at hand, and the contestants are briefed beyond "don't put your health at risk, but the winner will be the one who does".
The radio station in this case didn't consult a competent physician beforehand. They could have avoided a fatality by adding salt to the water. They could have had a chance at avoiding one by informing themselves what large amounts of water can do, and instructing the contestants on what it means to have a painful headache after consuming so much fluid.
They didn't, and they're gonna get sued. That's the tort system at work for you.

She may have been stupid, but the radio station was even more idiotic.

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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2007, 01:31:14 PM »
I retract my earlier statement and want to say this.


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« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2007, 05:19:33 PM »
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no she lost, whch means not only did her own stupidity kill her, she also died a looser.


Well that certainly sucks then

Eagl. what you want. We should throw the dopey broad a pity party?

Now whers that "cry me a river" gif when we need it?
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« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2007, 05:50:32 PM »
If the contest would have been how far you can jump a bicycle over a high flow river and she fell in, would you feel sorry for her?

How about the contests (or college hazing) where people ingest large amounts of alcohol for "fun" or a contest?

What about jumping off of a high point, racing motorcycles on the public road in traffic? Would that change the "feeling" about this individual?

People do irrational and or stupid things for various reasons. In this case the station never thought out the possible ramifications of their contest. Neither did the contestants. This woman paid for her choice, I have no doubt the station will too.
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« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2007, 06:40:08 PM »
Good thing you believe that personal choice, and the ramifications of such, no longer exist.


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« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2007, 07:14:29 PM »
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Stupidity should be fatal, and in her case was. Plus looks like it will probably kill the radio station along with it. Ohhh well



theres a heck of a difference between stupidity and ignorance.

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« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2007, 07:28:55 PM »
Woulda made more sense to see how much beer they could drink before they needed to "Wii"

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