Author Topic: Let the games begin! Hillary 1, Obama 0 (Read 6090 times)

StarOfAfrica2 · « **on:** January 19, 2007, 11:54:11 PM »

First shots fired in the race to discredit your opponent! Point Hillary.

http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/Obama_2.htm

Now the interesting question arises. Does he try to downplay it and say it wasnt a big deal, or embrace it and try to portray himself as the answer to our problems in the Middle East?

Regardless of that issue, looking at who supports him and who doesnt and how he votes, I see little to recommend him.

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=BS030017

Yeager · « **Reply #1 on:** January 20, 2007, 12:38:46 AM »

I know Billarys position on gun control. Has Oblama squeeked anything out on this decisive issue (for me at least.....).

A man has a right to own a gun,and not just any gun. A damned good gun is called for...one that shoots lots of bullets quickly and delivers them on target with good knock down power. Be the politician that supports my rights and get my vote.

Bastidges.....

Mini D · « **Reply #2 on:** January 20, 2007, 01:06:42 AM »

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2005 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Gun Owners of America 0 percent in 2005.

2004 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2004, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator Obama a grade of F (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

2002 Based on voting records and a questionnaire sent out to all state legislative candidates by Illinois Citizens for Handgun Control, Senator Obama was assigned a grade of A (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

2002 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2002, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator Obama a grade of F (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

He's 100% dem when it comes to gun control.

I see no reason to vote for him given his voting record. That aside, I don't know how the democratic party tollerates hillary. This kind of smear campaign should be frowned on inside the party. Unfortunately, it's the only way people know how to run a campaign anymore. I'm waiting for MT to come in and start spouting off about how the republicans started this one and the Dems don't usually resort to this type of stuff and wonder why everyone hates hillary so much.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #3 on:** January 20, 2007, 05:56:05 AM »

He seems to go with whatever the direction the wind is blowing. A true politician. Nothing to stand on, until it is defined by what the public wants.

The Billary is no better though.

Geez, we are going to be screwed again in 2008.

AWMac · « **Reply #4 on:** January 20, 2007, 06:07:18 AM »

Yep, What Skuzz said!

Mac

bj229r · « **Reply #5 on:** January 20, 2007, 07:27:42 AM »

The guy wrote a memoir at age 30. nuff said

oboe · « **Reply #6 on:** January 20, 2007, 07:29:42 AM »

When I skim that Vote-Smart link, I just shake my head. Look at all those special interest groups those guys have to answer to, one way or another. And that's probably not even a complete list. Is that what the Founding Fathers intended?

Regarding Obama's Muslim background-- It reminded me of Toad's post about tribalism in the Arab world and how peace was maintained by marrying off a tribe's daughter to another tribe.

I wonder if radical Islam's hatred for us would be blunted or slightly dulled by the election of a President with ties (weak as his are) to the Muslim world. Not a good standalone reason to vote for him, but it does make me wonder what the effect would be of his election. Minnesota has a Muslim Congressman now and from what I've seen and heard of him, he's smart and eloquent.

Leaves me with an even more negative impression of Clinton than I had before. A shot does not necessarily mean a score here.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 20, 2007, 07:36:35 AM »

Which was the whole point of my post. She scores a point with the "he's hiding the fact he was raised Muslim" thing, but he has the chance to either make it worse or turn it around. My big question is, does he have the charisma to spin it into a favorable thing and actually ride it into the White House? If he tries, then his opponents have to about face and try to either downplay the very dirt they dug up, or try to make him seem even worse (like the school was an Al Quieda training ground or something).

Skuzzy · « **Reply #8 on:** January 20, 2007, 07:53:55 AM »

Actually Star, it is up to the media and how they spin it. We do not vote for people based on them. We vote based on what the media tells us.

The only choices we make concern which media we listen to and which one we believe.

Toad · « **Reply #9 on:** January 20, 2007, 08:36:58 AM »

Well, I see Skuzzy at least is familar with Marshall McLuhan.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #10 on:** January 20, 2007, 08:46:35 AM »

I think he would find a great irony in how his work influences opinion. Or should I say massages opinion?

lazs2 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 20, 2007, 09:08:46 AM »

so hillary is saying...."even a radical socialist woman democrat is better than osama bamma." ?

I don't know.. I am just glad that the dems are fielding such obvious radicals.

As for gun control.. osama bamma gets an F from NRA as has been mentioned by mini..

There is good reason.. he is no friend of the second amendment and will sign any gun control law that passes his desk.. the dems know this so there will be a flurry of gun control bills passed if a dem gets in.

Democrats, or at least the ones pulling the strings, hate firearms and do not think that citizens can be trusted with guns to protect themselves. Only they are smart enough to have guns protect them. If either of these liberal socialists gets in the second will be damaged even more.

lazs

storch · « **Reply #12 on:** January 20, 2007, 09:21:43 AM »

middle America will not put either of those two dingleberries into the oval office. while they may get eternal free rides to the senate from their respective but equally whacked states the rest of the country just isn't going to allow the presidency for either of them to happen. it is interesting to watch bunnyfaced billary play the skin game though.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #13 on:** January 20, 2007, 09:23:51 AM »

Storch, I really think you underestimate how stupid we are, as a nation.

But I really hope you are right.

storch · « **Reply #14 on:** January 20, 2007, 09:25:03 AM »

well I guess hope springs eternal in the storch household