tiger tank.

[SELECTOR]

I'm not really that interested in tanks,  but i did watch a documentary on the discovery channel tonight about tank development.
it stated that the tiger tank couldn't fire while moving.. it had to go through all sorts of procedures before it could fire..
the point I'm getting to is this..the T tank in ah doesnt seem to reflect this in its workings..

any thoughts from anyone who knows about the tiger?

[OOZ662]

I believe that was the case of the King Tiger (Jagdtiger?), a beefed up version of the Tiger I we have.

[Keiler]

Tigers definitely could fire while on the move!

Google for Wittman, his tank destroyed a british vehicle column while moving along the same road.

Matt

[Keiler]

Michael Wittmann of course.

Matt

[Rino]

Originally posted by OOZ662
I believe that was the case of the King Tiger (Jagdtiger?), a beefed up version of the Tiger I we have.

     Two different vehicles, the jagdtiger was a turretless tank destroyer
with a 128mm main gun.

     While the King Tiger was an uparmored version of the original.




     Not sure about the firing on the move thing, but generally German tank
optics were better than the Allies.  The Sherman did have a rudimentary
gun stabilization system.

     Of course the armor in AH acts more like a combo artillery piece/ tank
destroyer than actual tanks did.  Very rarely would you see tanks trying
to engage one another above 2000 yards, here it's routine.

[Tilt]

Originally posted by SELECTOR

it stated that the tiger tank couldn't fire while moving.. it had to go through all sorts of procedures before it could fire..
 

I saw a similar doc on ch 4.

It could have been the opinion of the individual........... he was making very general statements

He basically made the arguement that the Tiger running gear and turret mount was engineered to its limits and that the gun should not be fired whilst the vehicle was on the move for fear of stressing the turret and running gear.

Used words like "had to stop prior to firing for fear of damaging the turret mount and running gear"

The doc then showed a video of a Tiger stopping dead and firing almost immediately like a second later.

The doc did show how when turning without forward movement the tiger "dug its self in" as its heavily loaded tracks just plowed up the ground before it.

It went on to argue that WWII tanks generically were very inaccurate when trying to  fire on the move because there was no gyro control stabalising the gun.

[Keiler]

The Tiger II is a heavy version of the Panther's concept (which is itself based on the russian T-34), compare:





Matt

[Keiler]

And yes, tank fire while on the move WAS difficult in WW2, so they only fired their guns at area targets when assaulting, or when the range was VERY close, like under 200m.

Eventhough the Sherman had a stab system, it was not used because it was pretty unaccurate for fire-for-effect.
Basically all WW2 tanks stopped just prior firing since this was the only means to score a hit. Remember they had to judge range too, with a little help of cornering brackets or similar aids in the reticle. The advantage of most german optics were that the gunner could dial up the measured range (via mk1 eyeball though), and aim the reticle center-mass to score a hit, wheras most other tanks had to superelevate the reticle, thus the gun like in AH2 now for all tanks. Its pretty much a Sherman reticle and way of aiming the gun.

Matt

[Sweet2th]

Das Konig'sTiger






Would penatrate 15 inches of Armour Plate at 2,000 Meter's with a 71 twist 88mm.No need to be moving.



It's a Frickin Anti-AirCraft Gun strapped to a Uber thick Armour plated Shell, but only had a cruising speed of 8 MPH.

[Tilt]

In the program I saw they were refering to the Tiger 1

[Keiler]

Originally posted by Sweet2th

DER Koenig'sTiger


Would penatrate 15 inches of Armour Plate at 2,000 Meter's with a 71 (not: twist) CALIBRE 88mm.No need to be moving.

That means the gun has a length of 71 calibres, meaning 20.5ft of barrel length incl. chamber. Penetration of it's best ammo does about 8" of armor-steel at 1000m/1093yds (still enough for about anything around back then at this range).

Nitpick mode = off.

Regards,
Matt

[Lusche]

To be even more nitpicking: It is not "DER Koenig'sTiger"

but "Der Koenigstiger"  

[Sweet2th]

Originally posted by Keiler
Nitpick mode = off.

Regards,
Matt

Here we go with another self proclaimed experten.

[Keiler]

I am no "self proclaimed Experte", I simply check my numbers, you didnt!

Seriously, sorry if it sounded like I was a over-correct German. Just wanted to get the numbers straight.

Matt

[edit] LOL @ Lusche! Richtig!

[Apeking]

"the point I'm getting to is this..the T tank in ah doesnt seem to reflect this in its workings.."

The fundamental issue is that Aces High is an aeroplane simulation, with some abstract ground vehicle action as an added bonus. The tanks are abstract representations of armoured vehicles; they bounce over a glass-smooth landscape and occasionally fall through the floor. The tank simulation aspect of the game is on the level of Battlezone or Beach Head, although it's often a lot of fun. Nitpicking the game's Tiger is futile. I don't think that tank warfare occupies a large part of Hitech's Big Board.