Author Topic: Black NF HurrMk.I (need some help) (Read 2160 times)

Krusty · « **on:** January 22, 2007, 07:25:35 PM »

I took over for MacLeod (he's moved on to some other skin projects) and have this and a color profile:

And have done some work on the skin.

Before I get too deep into weathering and what-not, I need some help.

What squadron is this plane from? I don't know what to title it in the object.txt file.

Are the markings right? I have an image of the fuselage, but not of the wings upper or lower. Do I have the right type of roundels on the wings? Am I missing something else?

2 areas I know are wrong: 1) red stripe on radio mast 2) red diamonds under wings. These are both because the nose has red on it, and the mast comes from the side of the nose and the center of the nose comes from under the wings (doncha love Generation 1 skins?).

I've got a couple of ideas for weathering, but how heavily weathered was this thing? In the photo I can see a slightly darker stain where the exhaust was, but it doesn't look very scuffed by the wing root or anything. I'd imagine the ammo access panels would be heavily scratched, but what else?

EDIT: Oh, and what the hell happened to the "A" on the photo at the top??? I didn't know if I should replicate this or not. My thinking is they'd fix it whatever happened, but that's a wild guess.

macleod01 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 22, 2007, 07:34:57 PM »

Ian Gleed, Co of 87 Squadron flew that hurri!

Krusty · « **Reply #2 on:** January 22, 2007, 08:20:32 PM »

Thanks!

Guppy35 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 22, 2007, 10:02:43 PM »

Check the fuselage Roundel Krusty. The yellow band on the skin is way too narrow. Red dot in center is too big.

Roundels on top are fine. They tended to skip the underwing roundel completely on black Hurris.

This one was a bit of a squadron project though as it's a Mk I and has 6 exhausts which was not the norm. Squadron CO's could get away with that kinda stuff though

The lettering A just shows where replacment fabric was placed or a replacement panal.

Krusty · « **Reply #4 on:** January 23, 2007, 12:04:03 AM »

Guppy, would you recommend I omit the underwing roundels, then?

As for the panel, would that have been painted over fairly quick, so that folks could tell it was an A?

I'm wondering if I should leave it an "A" on the skin, or mimick this panel.

I, too, noticed the 6-stack exhaust. Notice, also, he's got glare guards on either side of his canopy so he doesn't see any flames from the exhausts when flying at night?

EDIT: Also, is it me or does the canopy framing look like it's a different shade. Red, perhaps?

Guppy35 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 23, 2007, 02:06:40 AM »

I'd leave the roundels off the bottom of the wing. And I do believe you are correct that the windscreen framing was red.

There is a story in a book on the Hurricane written by Quentin Reynolds, where he talks about what I believe is this Hurricane. Now you have to keep in mind that Reynolds was propoganda at it's best, but the story he tells is of a Hurricane that survived the campaign in France but was a bit of a wreck.

The 'fitters' from that particular Hurricane's squadron took it upon themselves to try and improve the performance. To that end, they put a higher powered Merlin (A two stage if the story is to be believed) as well as the multiple exhausts and other refinements that made it a super Hurricane that out performed Spitfires and 109s, climbing like a homesick angel etc.

While the story was certainly embellished by Reynolds, I do believe that is the Hurricane in question.

I'd try and replicate the A on the fuselage as it is to give it that lived in look.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 23, 2007, 02:09:54 AM »

Changed my mind on the underwing roundels. I found another photo of the bird in the same book that the photo you showed, that I posted earlier was in.

It does show the underwing roundels. They are smaller and further out towards the wing tips.

The Hurri is believed to be serial P2798 and that it did in fact see service in France during 39-40, and later was used in the night fighter role. In the other photo taken at a different time, the A on the fuselage remains broken up like the previous image.

Kev367th · « **Reply #7 on:** January 23, 2007, 10:56:23 AM »

Same plane, later "style".

Would take care of the problem of the red diamonds on the lower wings -

Oops not its not it the Hurri IIc one.

Krusty · « **Reply #8 on:** January 23, 2007, 11:35:04 AM »

Kev: Yep, that's definitely a IIC. Also, I kind of like the red. I can stand a spot on the wings if it gets the nose looking right. In fact I had to do this on a C205 skin as well.

Guppy: How much smaller were the underwing roundels? We talking just a hair? Halfway through the blue? On the fuselage roundels I figured out my mistake. I remembered they should have had equal spacing, so I made a circle, reduced it to 66% for the next selection, and then for the center reduced it 33% (from original). What I didn't take into account was that the center should be 1/5th the total, not 1/3rd, as the white and blue on either side make up the other 4/5ths. I'll get those corrected soon (with a larger yellow as well).

Was that square badge under the cockpit supposed to be on both sides?

Target2 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 23, 2007, 11:40:59 AM »

Re: Exhaust gaurds - You are correct Krusty, they were there to block the glow from the exhaust, which would affect the pilots night vision.

Weathering - As this is a squadron leaders aircraft, I would think it would be kept in reasonable shape. Note that the picture you posted, shows very little exhaust staining and the lack of chipping around the engine panels.

No doubt the wing surfaces (ammo doors etc) would fare a little worse.

Target2 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 23, 2007, 11:52:06 AM »

There is a restored aircraft with these markings. It appears to be well done. It has under wing roundels.

Google Hurricane LK A, and check images.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 23, 2007, 12:18:10 PM »

Here's the other photo. You can see the roundel under the left wing.

I'd go with the squadron leader's pendant on the right side too.

Krusty · « **Reply #12 on:** February 05, 2007, 07:05:59 PM »

Okay I've done some more work on it (slow going due to lack of time). I know the roundels are slightly larger on the real images, but I get into problems with cutting/stretching on the different sides of the fuselage if I go below a certain point, so I made them just a hair smaller to avoid these problems.

I haven't mucked up the "A" code yet. Wanted to find a reference or two about the fabric covering and metal panels. I found some, just need to put them to work now.

Also, it looks like the walkway might be light grey or white (for a nightfighter? probably grey) instead of black. See the first photo in this thread for what I mean.

EDIT: D'oh! The ratio of the under-wing roundels is still off. Forgot to fix that (sigh). It's on the to-do list.

Edit2: Verdammt! I forgot to make the canopy red, as well.

macleod01 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 05, 2007, 07:23:59 PM »

Krusty, when did you take that last screenie? THERES A CHUNK MISSING OUT OF THE PROP! lol. Think that MIGHT hinder the flying!

Krusty · « **Reply #14 on:** February 05, 2007, 08:18:39 PM »

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Originally posted by macleod01
Krusty, when did you take that last screenie? THERES A CHUNK MISSING OUT OF THE PROP! lol. Think that MIGHT hinder the flying!

I noticed that myself after I took it. It's some sort of display bug where part of a tree is showing in front of the prop, instead of the other way around.

Nothing I can do.