Mosquito

[VERTEX]

Why is the AH Mosquito not capable of 400 mph. Aparently even the first models could do 400mph. I took our mosquito to various altitudes up to 36,500 and could not get 400mph in level flight.

Anyone know. Is it undermodelled in AH?

[Benny Moore]

I made the same mistake with the P-38 about six years ago (and was mocked mercilessly for it).  You're probably looking at indicated, not true.  At high altitude, the difference can be very great; in this case, perhaps 30%.  If I were you, I'd delete this thread, now.

If that's not the case, then I can't help you.  Apparently, however, we do not have the fighter variant of the Mosquito in Aces High II.

[DaPup]

Vertex, here's a good writeup for specs of Mossy

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/AARG/mosquito.html

And if you click on Game Info- Planes,Vehicles,Boats and select the Mosquito you will see performance within the game.

[VERTEX]

Benny:

I used the E6B flight computer to give me the true airspeed, groundspeed etc.

I cant remember exactly but I think the highest level speed I could get was
about 365mph.

Indicated airspeed was much lower. Cant recall the exact figure.


Recently watch a documentary about the Mosquito and 400mph was given repeatedly as within the airplanes capabilities.m Just curious why ours doesnt go that fast.

When I did my test flight in AH I started with 100% fuel and zero loadout.
Ended up flying for about 45 mins to 1 Hr  and covered about 8 sectors.

It was lots of fun coming down. Not something I would do again though anytime soon.

[Major Biggles]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
I made the same mistake with the P-38 about six years ago (and was mocked mercilessly for it).  You're probably looking at indicated, not true.  At high altitude, the difference can be very great; in this case, perhaps 30%.  If I were you, I'd delete this thread, now.

If that's not the case, then I can't help you.  Apparently, however, we do not have the fighter variant of the Mosquito in Aces High II.

dunno where you heard that benny...


we have the FB Mk VI, the main fighter variant. unfortunately it is modelled with the flame dampers that were used on some mossies to decrease visibility at night, and they create a lot of drag, decreasing max speed at all alts by about 20 mph. also, the mossie we have never did 400, those were the later war variants with more powerful merlins, such as the B Mk XVI, whch would be a great perk bomber in AH i reckon.

when HTC redo the mossie, i'm sure that if they add new versions, they'll be the B Mk IV and XVI

[Major Biggles]

Originally posted by VERTEX
Benny:

I used the E6B flight computer to give me the true airspeed, groundspeed etc.

I cant remember exactly but I think the highest level speed I could get was
about 365mph.

Indicated airspeed was much lower. Cant recall the exact figure.


Recently watch a documentary about the Mosquito and 400mph was given repeatedly as within the airplanes capabilities.m Just curious why ours doesnt go that fast.

When I did my test flight in AH I started with 100% fuel and zero loadout.
Ended up flying for about 45 mins to 1 Hr  and covered about 8 sectors.

It was lots of fun coming down. Not something I would do again though anytime soon.

the flame dampers included in our mossie flight model (although not actually present on the 3D model ) decrease the top speed by 15-20 mph.

i'm sure the show you were watching was talking about it easily reaching 400 (it would do it within a few seconds in a shallow dive), or they were talking about a late war version of the mossie (there were dozens of different models)

TV shows are often total garbage, take everything on them witha  grain of salt

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Major Biggles
(although not actually present on the 3D model )

They've always been modeled in AH.



Air goes in the front, mixes with the exhausts, and comes out the lower back. Been there since the mossie came out, I'd wager.

[Major Biggles]

lol, really? i never noticed them...

just checked, they are there, can't believe i never noticed before hehe

[Kev367th]

Our Mossie still being a 1st gen aircraft is another hybrid -

Only the first batch of Mossies of the line had flame dampers fitted as standard.
The second batch had no flame dampers and also had rocket capability added.

So you could argue that its a second batch Mossie with 'optional' dampers, but as there is no night, they need to go.

Also wondering - Is our Mossies rockets the 60lb one, or just a 'generic' one. They don't seem to do a hell of lot for 60lb'ers.

As an info bit - The fastest Mossie ever produced was the prototype.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Kev367th
As an info bit - The fastest Mossie ever produced was the prototype.

Not surprisingly, this is often the case with most planes, unless there's a very major revision (like 190A to 190D), as the prototype is usually lighter, without military equipment and so forth.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Kev367th
As an info bit - The fastest Mossie ever produced was the prototype.

Not really true as such.

The Mosquito prototype did about 390mph at a time when the Spitfire topped out at 370mph.

The fastest Mosquito was one of the prototypes reengined with Merlin 61s in 1941 or 1942 (I don't remember exactly), and that one did nearly 440mph.

The fastest Mosquito to see action in WWII was the Mosquito NF.30 with a top speed of 424mph.  But that was at altitude, the FB.Mk IV with Merlin 25s and no flame dampers was much faster at low altitude than the NF.30 was.

[VERTEX]

Thanks for all the good info guys.

Out of further curiosity, does anyone know what the top speed was withm a full bomb load at alt?

It seems like the AR 234 wasnt much of an improvement over the mosquito, in terms of bomb load and top speed.

Any comments?

[Dux]

Many sources will confuse knots with MPH, so be wary of what you read. A knot is 15% longer than a mile, i.e., 100 knots = 115 MPH.

I find it very strange that so many sources quote MPH when most of the aviation community uses KIAS.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by VERTEX
Thanks for all the good info guys.

Out of further curiosity, does anyone know what the top speed was withm a full bomb load at alt?

It seems like the AR 234 wasnt much of an improvement over the mosquito, in terms of bomb load and top speed.

Any comments?

Mosquito B.Mk XVI with a 4,000lb cookie is faster than the Ar234 with three 500kg bombs because the Mossie carries it internally.  Once the bombs are gone the Ar234 is about 65mph faster.

[Brooke]

Here's a question for you Mosquito experts.

It seems that the Mosquito had a very long range.  I'm wondering why the allies didn't use the Mosquito as a bomber escort before P-51's or long-range P-38's became available.  Was it that the fighter version of the Mosquito wasn't available in large enough quantities to allow use of them as US bomber escort?  Was it just that people didn't think of it?  Was it that the command staff thought of the Mosquito only as a bomber?

In my cursory research, it looks like the Mosquito started showing up in Jan, 1943 and that long-range Mustangs started being used for long-range escort in Aug-Oct, 1943.  So, perhaps there weren't enough Mosquitos around prior to P-51's showing up.