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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2007, 11:45:34 PM »
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And I have to say this, no single person on the political horizon of potential national leadership impresses me at all.
How do you think I feel? The only thing I have to look forward to is Hillary somehow winning just so I can watch the mass freakout around here.

Still a long time before New Hampshire. A lot of new names will emerge.
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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2007, 11:49:56 PM »
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How do you think I feel? The only thing I have to look forward to is Hillary somehow winning just so I can watch the mass freakout around here.

Still a long time before New Hampshire. A lot of new names will emerge.


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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2007, 11:51:48 PM »
Woot! Is Kinky running???;)
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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2007, 01:01:34 AM »
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MacArthur.  Isn't that who dred was talking about?


Yea. but I was referring to him more for a couple of stunts he pulled in Korea rather then Bataan.

I beleive part of the largest part of the problem in Iraq is not just the insurgancy. But Washington running a war in Iraq..from Washington
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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2007, 01:17:55 AM »
Pick up a book, the war is unwinnable.  The average insurgency lasts8-10 yrs.  If you want to send your relatives off to die, go ahead.  I don't care about Iraqi freedom, I care about American freedom.

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« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2007, 01:31:32 AM »
Petraeus is one of the few that has had success in Iraq. He was the guy building sewers and stringing electric lines. Turns out, Iraqi's like that stuff. Of course Washington had to interfere with his plan and screwed the pooch.

If they let him work his plan, we may actually have an honorable exit from Iraq albeit 3 years too late.
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« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2007, 01:36:36 AM »
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Summary: As an individual man, I think he is a good example of decency, as a leader of the American nation he is an embarrassing failure.

And I have to say this, no single person on the political horizon of potential national leadership impresses me at all.


I don't think I'd go so far as the last statement Yeager.  But it would be quibbling.  My own yardstick says being "a good example of decency" rates very high.  And I agree with that assesment.

Now as to your last, and this isn't personal, but you said it, so you get the fwiw from me.

If no one impresses me, then maybe my "impressor" is busted.  My Sister and I talk about this from time to time.  She thinks they are all bums.  I just can't/don't buy it.  There's better than a dozen folks vying for the White House at this early stage.  They impress me merely by what they've accomplished in life thus far.

I may disagree with some of their politics, but that's based on principle.  That is I may disagree with their ideas.

A President is not a panacea.  Not a savior.  To say they are weakest of the 3 branches is a true statement.  Framers wanted it that way after having had a belly full of George III.

And I don't think the future of America hinges on having great Presidents or merely good Presidents.

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« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2007, 01:47:25 AM »
Interesting scenario for you guys. What do you think Iraq would look like today if Wesley Clark had won the '04 election? Would we still be buried in a quagmire?
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« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2007, 01:51:45 AM »
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I beleive part of the largest part of the problem in Iraq is not just the insurgancy. But Washington running a war in Iraq..from Washington


Amen.

Politicians should make the decision whether or not we go to war.  After that, stay out of it.

Come to think of it, if they hadn't pulled the plug on the march to Baghdad back in Iraq 1, we might have not been in this situation.  But it was public/world opinion we had to worry about then, too, right? :rolleyes:

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« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2007, 11:21:54 AM »
Once you show the war on the front page of the news and as the leading story on CNN and Fox, no politician will be able to keep out of it.

In fact, every since Vietnam with reports of every single thing that happens, a real war has been unwinnable.

That is until you bar any reporters from being in the war zone.
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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2007, 12:02:33 PM »
Actually General Sherman wasnt real fond of reporters either and viewed them as nothing more then spies

"Sherman and the Reporter

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Despite the recent successes of embedding, relations between the military and the press sometimes are contentious. Yet even the greatest animosities of our current era seldom reach the depth of the hatred that existed between General William Tecumseh Sherman and the newspapermen who followed his army. Enraged by newspaper listings of the Union order of battle prior to engagements, Sherman banished reporters from his lines and referred to them as “dirty newspaper scribblers who have the impudence of Satan.” A reporter for the New York Tribune wrote that being “a cat in hell without claws is nothing to [being] a reporter in General Sherman’s army.” His brethren were not so kind; they circulated reports of Sherman’s alleged insanity.

The tension reached a head when a reporter for the New York Herald, Thomas Knox, defied Sherman’s orders and forwarded an account of the Union defeat at Chickasaw Bluffs. Sherman had Knox arrested and bound over for court-martial. The reporter responded, “Of course, General Sherman, I have no feelings against you personally, but you are regarded as the enemy of our set and we must in self-defense write you down.” The court found Knox guilty and ordered him banished from the theater. As the Herald was a strong supporter of Lincoln, the President countermanded the sentence on the condition that Sherman’s superior, U. S. Grant, agreed. Grant would do no such thing, and Knox was forced to appeal to the man he defamed. Sherman’s reply:

Come with a sword or musket in your hand, prepared to share with us our fate . . . and I will welcome you as a brother; but come as you now do expecting me to ally the reputation and honor of my country and my fellow-soldiers with you as the representative of the Press which you yourself say makes so slight a difference between truth and falsehood and my answer is Never!

Knox left the theater. "

Sherman is also reported to have said

"90% of all reporters are spie. The rest are idiots"

I dont know about the spies part  though I do sometimes wonder.
I will say that I am of the opinion that the latter 10% is grossly under estimated
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« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2007, 09:52:20 AM »
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Interesting scenario for you guys. What do you think Iraq would look like today if Wesley Clark had won the '04 election? Would we still be buried in a quagmire?


My guess is NO.

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« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2007, 10:29:12 AM »
He reminds me of Abrams in vietnam...  It was too late then... maybe not now.   Why do the politicians always think they can run the war and then when their approval rating goes through the floor....

They finally let the generals who know what to do run the show?

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« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2007, 01:26:56 PM »
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Once you show the war on the front page of the news and as the leading story on CNN and Fox, no politician will be able to keep out of it.

In fact, every since Vietnam with reports of every single thing that happens, a real war has been unwinnable.

That is until you bar any reporters from being in the war zone.


Iraq is not a war. It's an occupation. We've already won the war.

"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." - George W. Bush, May 1 2003.
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« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2007, 01:31:40 PM »
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Iraq is not a war. It's an occupation. We've already won the war.


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