P39

[ezeepkns]

How bout getting the P39 Aircobra,and Kingcobra.These planes were produced in great amounts by the USA and sent to the russians.

[Bruv119]

agreed P39 should be added.

However I still think there are loads of planes out there that could be added especially for EW and MW.  

Hopefully when CT is finished HTC will go through and work on new planes and vehicles.

[Panzzer]

I don't see any use for the Kingcobra, the Soviets didn't have them operational except for the brief interlude at the end when they attacked the Japanese. But the Airacobra would be one of the first planes to be had if I were to decide. Do a search (Airacobra), it's been requested many times before.

[Debonair]

P-63a deliveries to commies started in late 1943, sure took a long time to being them into combat:O:noid:noid:mad:

[10001212]

Would LOVE a P-39!

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Panzzer
I don't see any use for the Kingcobra, the Soviets didn't have them operational except for the brief interlude at the end when they attacked the Japanese. But the Airacobra would be one of the first planes to be had if I were to decide. Do a search (Airacobra), it's been requested many times before.

Yea you THINK they didn't use them.  Just because they signed a piece of paper saying they wouldn't use them in the ETO. Paaaalease


I wonder how many Russian reports had to be retyped p-39 because the first copy read p-63.




Bronk

[Panzzer]

Only a handful of Kingcobras joined VVS regiments in the European theatre during WWII. However, the Airacobras were much used (and liked) by the Soviets, and were in use from 1942 to 1945 (and even post-war). See Geust & Petrov: Red Stars vol. 4 (Lend-Lease Aircraft in Russia), ISBN 952-5026-23-X.

[tedrbr]

Soviets historically downplayed the use and performance of all "lend-lease" aircraft, (gee.... Stalinist-Russia, so figure...) so getting a good idea of how widely used and how effective they were is very problematic.  Accurate information suppressed in favor of Soviet pride and propaganda.

The second highest Allied Ace of the war was a Russian pilot by the name of Pokryshkin who officially flew the P-39 Airacobra through the war, but some papers allude to his squadron converting to the P63 Kingcobra late in the war.  

As most of the action is Late War, I'd say the Kingcobra is the better choice of the two (along with the Fiat G.55 to give the Italians their best fighter.... and the game's Luftwaffe pilots a sort of low-perk worthy 109G).  The Kingcobra (modeled and given Soviet skin) was in Soviet operation, and gives the Russians another plane for their plane set.


Hard to give an argument for more EW planes added to the planeset, since very few AHII pilots fly in the EW and LW arenas compared to the LW.  The interest is just not there among the masses.   The "if you model it, they will come" argument just doesn't hold water.  

And of course, buff pilots would like a perk-worthy plane other than Ar-234.  The A-26 Invader fits that bill as an option.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by tedrbr



Hard to give an argument for more EW planes added to the planeset, since very few AHII pilots fly in the EW and LW arenas compared to the LW.  The interest is just not there among the masses.   The "if you model it, they will come" argument just doesn't hold water.  


And of course, buff pilots would like a perk-worthy plane other than Ar-234. The A-26 Invader fits that bill as an option.
 

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Speak for yourself.
As i fly 109 f4 frequently in LWAs frequently.

Also how nice would it be for a FSO early PAC set up.

No more P-40 only for U.S.A.A.F. fans.


Also IMHO the B-24 should be perked lightly.
It makes up 90% of buffs seen in LWAs.


Bronk

[republic]

Originally posted by tedrbr

Hard to give an argument for more EW planes added to the planeset, since very few AHII pilots fly in the EW and LW arenas compared to the LW.

I believe the LW planesets are significantly fleshed out, it's time to give some balance to the 'early years'.  P-39 is just one of those early planes we are lacking.

IMO, people fly in the LW arena because they can fly anything, not because they only want to fly late war planes.

Not to mention the fact that the P-39 would be a significant addition to the AvA planesets.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Bronk
Also IMHO the B-24 should be perked lightly.
It makes up 90% of buffs seen in LWAs.

I agree. I've actually suggested this a couple years ago.

The B24s are by far the most popular, because of bomb load and performance. A fully loaded B24 can actually cruise at cruise settings, while a fully loaded B17 falls from the sky (it can't stay in level flight on auto pilot) because its engines are so weak.

I suggested (and I'll resuggest in a moment) that the B-24s be perked 14 perks or so (same as a C-hog or spit14) and the B-17s be perked 7 points or so.

The Lancaster and the Ju88 would still be used to earn perks to buy US bombers, but the price wouldn't be so high that you can never afford them (like the Ar234).

[fjaloma]

Do a quick Google search for Russian P39  and you get the following excerpt:

"In short, the Russian pilots flew the Airacobra as "air superiority fighters," and at the low to medium altitudes of air combat on the Eastern Front, they did so with considerable success, against German Fw 190s and Bf 109s. The 216th Fighter Division (later 9th Guards Fighter Division) flew Airacobras from August, 1942 to the end of the war in May, 1945 and counted 28 aces with at least 15 victories".

I say bring it on.. we can always use another GV killer and convoy attack plane.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by fjaloma
Do a quick Google search for Russian P39  and you get the following excerpt:

"In short, the Russian pilots flew the Airacobra as "air superiority fighters," and at the low to medium altitudes of air combat on the Eastern Front, they did so with considerable success, against German Fw 190s and Bf 109s. The 216th Fighter Division (later 9th Guards Fighter Division) flew Airacobras from August, 1942 to the end of the war in May, 1945 and counted 28 aces with at least 15 victories".

I say bring it on.. we can always use another GV killer and convoy attack plane.

GD read your own post.
It's a fighter not an attack plane.

The 37mm fired HE rounds NOT AP.  All but useless against armor.



Bronk

[Krusty]

The 37mm oldsmobile cannon was a throwback from the accords after WW1. It was a terrible gun, far too slow and too heavy to ever damage an armored tank. It might damage trucks and cars, but then so do 20mm cannon and small-caliber machine guns.

The 37mm was designed to be used against other aircraft.

Now, if we had the P-400 I think that'd be interesting, only it was limited to a single 60-round drum canister. Better than nothing, but still a small amount.

[tedrbr]

I can see either the P-39 Airacobra or P-63 Kingcobra added to the game.

But since half the P-39's, and nearly all the P-63's went to Russia, and as a nod to Lend-Lease, I'd prefer to see either in the Russian planeset with Soviet markings.  

For P-39, Skin of Aleksandr Ivanovich Pokryshkin (Allies second highest scoring Ace) plane would be appropriate; 55th Fighter Regiment possibly, but not sure if that's where he served most of the War or not.

Some accounts, as well as papers of Pokryshkin himself, place him in the P-63 later in the war, but nothing definite.  


How do you model the tendancy for the plane to be unrecoverable from a flat spin?

weight distribution of the P-39 supposedly is the reason for its tendency to enter a dangerous flat spin — a characteristic Soviet test pilots were able to demonstrate to the then-skeptical manufacturer who had been unable to reproduce the effect. After extensive tests, it was determined that the spin could only be induced if the plane was improperly loaded, with no ammunition in the front compartment. The flight manual specifically noted that one had to ballast the front ammunition compartment with the appropriate weight of shell casings to achieve a reasonable center of gravity.

P-39  Maiden flight = April 1939   Introduced = 1941  Produced = 1940-May 1944   Number built = 9,584

P-63  Maiden flight = 7 December 1942   Introduced = October 1943   Produced = 1943-1945   Number built = 3,303  (2,397 to Russia)

What's the date limitations to Early War and Mid War?  I'm thinking, because the P-63 fixed a lot of the problems with the P-39 (except the flat spin), why not the P-63 over the P-39.