great fights in the AvA

[republic]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
dont take it personaly republic.

storch and i go quite a long way back in the combat theatre arena, our bickering is mostly harmless.

 I didn't take it personally...though the statement:  "hours of constant lameplay by JG54" does apply to more than just storch.  

Trust me, when I was in Grupul 7 I was at the other end of JG 54 so I understand what it's like, and the first time I met storch he killshot me because I sprayed him as I n00bishly shot over his shoulder

It's all fun...it just makes me giggle to see people complain because we fight as a squad.

[B@tfinkV]

there is alot of respect to be given when you fight well as a squad against the odds, there is alot of respect to be lost when you do the same against 2 guys.

[storch]

blame gumbeau for that gumbeau.  he and his squad of aggresive and polished P38 drivers came in flying good squad tactics for about one hour.  the sheer excitement of coming across a competent squad of players created a very healthy and competetive atmosphere.  were I you I would be feeling violated as well.

[daddog]

I have to say that sondog is developing into an excellent player with good skill and polished manuevers. he dives into any number of opponents and often times makes tremendously difficult kills against multiple adversaries.

Thanks Storch. I will pass this along to him. He really enjoys the AVA and when he talks about Aces High his focus is either our squadies or his experiences in the AVA. He spent some time in the AVA yesterday (Saturday) and had a good time. He always tells me when he gets you or one of the other regulars, or your squadies. He told me he got N7 for the “first time” Saturday. He also had a good turn fight with tankman2 that I watched part of. Sondog was in the 109F and tankman2 was in the P-40. He asked me as the turn fight began which one can out turn the other. I told him the 109, but he was frustrated when tankman2 was matching him in the P-40. I told him to use some flaps but he is very hesitant to do so. Tankman2 finally got him after about a dozen 360’s. He saw Storch near by and did not understand why he (storch) did not come in to help. I explained to him that Storch was probably letting you go one on one so you might learn something. He did.

He is a good stick, but has reached his limits with the basic ACM. He is ready to move on and work with those that excel at different AC and have better skills than I can teach him. I certainly can’t fly the 109 with any great skill. Others need to show him.

He has been flying for about a year and a half in AH and I told him yesterday he can use the range channel for the first time, but only in the AVA. If you vets have any tips for him while you fly with him feel free to share. He will take it all in like the sponge he is.

Anyway to get this thread back on track. Yes there has been some good fights in the AVA and sondog has shared many of them with me over our dinner table.

[storch]

I saw that fight daddog and was actually circling above for a bit.  he seemed to be holding his own and I felt confident he would prevail.  normally I won't miss a good opportunity to pigpile tankman but I didn't want to steal sondog's thunder.  

[E25280]

Originally posted by storch
well it must be so then.  funny though with the exception of when all the P38s were coming in at 20k most of the fights at are around 5k.

After being BnZed by 190s coming in at much higher than 5K, this reaction doesn't surprise me.  

Originally posted by storch
I wish I knew where all these guys that are constantly saving my butt are because I must have died 20 times last night.  I can't imagine why you guys would post so spitefully LTARS, JG54 was playing both sides in order to balance the numbers.  aside from the nit picking going on which I will not participate in, inspite of dying tons I had a blast.  truly first rate fights in there.

Again, Bat's original gripe was about Friday night, not Saturday.  Friday the numbers were uneven the entire time I was on, so I witnessed what Bat is talking about.  I think the closest to even I saw was 13 to 9, and at one time I checked it was 17 to 5.  Obviously, though, that is not "all JG54's fault" or any such nonsense, but it made the constant ganging more frustrating than normal because there was no way to avoid it.

I'm not sure how confirming Bat's observation is in my post is a "spiteful" reply.  Kils on the other hand has always been a spiteful bastage, and he often killshoots on me in the MA out of a combination of sheer meanness and frustration.  

Originally posted by storch
vultching?? who vultched?

I didn't see any vulching.  But for Kils to have made several kills in an Osti (easily confirmed on killstats if you doubt him), someone must have been at some point.

Originally posted by storch
I have to say that sondog is developing into an excellent player with good skill and polished manuevers.  he dives into any number of opponents and often times makes tremendously difficult kills against multiple adversaries.

another player that has flat out blown me away with his superb skills is platano, always in the most difficult rides, in this set up the P40.  he is nearly untouchable in a 1 v 1 and cah acquit himself very well against two.
to you both.

Agreed on Sondog.  I liked Bananaman much better when he was a squaddy.  Back when he was a certifiable n00b, it was unbelievable how quickly he developed.  I would gladly hide behind - er - wing with him anytime.

Originally posted by storch
ok batty you are complaining about getting beat up on what would friday night!!!  I don't recall seeing you friday either.  did you come on for just one fight, get killed and leave?  come back batty you are always fun to fight against.  if it will make you feel better I'll hit autopilot so you can killl me easier.

Jeesh, storch, no way I am buying the fact that you don't remember he was on after all the jawing on 200 between the two of you.  I've learned to laugh at your constant cajoling of other players, but it isn't helpful to the retention of new opponents.

And it would be nice if you would at least be consistent.  You whine on 200 that "wow, only took 3 of you" if you get ganged, yet Bat or anyone else points out numbers, they need to grow thicker skin.  You and your squad BnZ from 190s, then here you complain about 38s getting alt on you.  You and your squad jump on any low slow con just upped from the base, then you call them ack huggers if they try to at least gain some speed / alt before throwing themselves to the dogs.  You justify the 5-4 v 1 because the guy is in a "woobiecane", as if you would do anything different if they were in a different ride, which you clearly don't.

And then to come here and play all innocent "I don't recall seeing you" -- Pu-leeze storch, who you kidding?

Originally posted by republic
It's all fun...it just makes me giggle to see people complain because we fight as a squad.

If JG54 or the 332nd or any other squad wants to fly as a large group and gang any individual they come across, good for them.  If you want to pat yourself on the back as if ganging a bunch of individuals who don't normally fly together and therefore can't be expected to act in a coordinated manner is some kind of accomplishment, you knock yourself out.  It's always fun to giggle at those you are rolling over.  We did that as Grupul 7 a few times, and it was a blast.  Glad you're having a great time.  

Originally posted by Sweet2th
Thats exactly why not that many people come back to the AvA IMHO.They come in there for the " FAIR " gameplay & the historical aspect and get treated like crap so they don't come back into the AvA anymore.

I blame Oldman.  His incessant good-naturedness and advocacy of fair gameplay is ruining the AvA.  If he sees what looks like a 1v1 fight, he stays out or asks if you need help.  He evens up sides when needed.  On the BBs, he is always extolling the virtues of good fights and good people in the AvA vs. what you find in the MA.  This builds the expectation of fair fights, no HOs, and good sportsmanship -- and when those things are absent, it is a shock and a letdown.  Curse you, Oldman.





As for me, I'll keep coming in (and getting shot down) regardless.  I'll just have to see who is on before deciding whether it is OM's version of the AvA that night, or just another MA-style Horde, and adjust my thinking accordingly.

AvA, fun times!

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by republic
To be upset because we flock to cover a wounded comrade and fly somewhat historical tactics...is silly.  If a squaddie calls for help, I'll burn my engine up trying to get to him...isn't that how you would expect a WW2 squad to fly?  Join/Create/recruit an AvA squad of your own so that you can have that kind of support and camaraderie as well.

We are indebted to you folks in JG54 and 880 and the 78th and Daddog's squad and the 56th for bringing some numbers back to the AvA.  Please remember, though, that there aren't (usually) 200 other people in here.  If you fly here the same way as you fly in the MA, the result often will appear to be ganging, even though you are just doing what you have practiced elsewhere.  Possibly a bit more restraint wouldn't hurt any, and you'll find that the fights are as good or better.  Remember your roots.

- oldman

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by E25280
This builds the expectation of fair fights, no HOs, and good sportsmanship -- and when those things are absent, it is a shock and a letdown.  

Hey, people are being assimilated here (or, in some instances, re-assimilated), be patient.

- oldman

[storch]

brauno I assurre you there was no banter between batfink and myself.  you are correct that banter is usually lively between he and I but I believe I had detuned 200 because of whiny someone or other who insisted I rammed him on purpose.  after a certain amount of that I selected to just shut down 200 and hunt that guy down.  which I did.  

[E25280]

Originally posted by storch
brauno I assurre you there was no banter between batfink and myself.  you are correct that banter is usually lively between he and I but I believe I had detuned 200 because of whiny someone or other who insisted I rammed him on purpose.  after a certain amount of that I selected to just shut down 200 and hunt that guy down.  which I did.  

Well, there ya go . . . I had forgotten about Mr. YouRammedMe until you just brought it up, and I remember (now) that I spent quite some time explaining the collision model to him.

Likewise, I believe you have forgotten your exchanges with BatFink.  After all, you banter with everyone, so you may not have realized who you were arguing with.

Or perhaps it was one of your squaddies responding to him . . . not sure anymore.  If I can forget Mr. YouRammedMe, I may be mistaken on my recollection.

[storch]

as much as I dislike the pacific sets the fights in the arena were again intense.  the spit is wicked nasty, I seem to be able to hold my own against most players flying the spit by flying the Ki84.  I had to resort to using the A6M5 after 1duke1 kept schooling me with that damn spit.

to all the participants again.  you players that like a furball are missing out on some good action.

I can't wait to see what's on next friday.  too bad the tank tards own the arena tomorrow.  I don't want to go back to the MA.

[Sweet2th]

Originally posted by storch


  too bad the tank tards own the arena tomorrow.  I don't want to go back to the MA.

Now that is about the most intelligent thing you have ever typed,  hands down B.


You remind me of a boat that's sinking in the middle of the Ocean, most of us are throwing  buckets of water overboard to keep the ship from sinking, while you put more back in the boat.Your either part of the problem or part of the Solution.


You could always get in a tank stench, then again you can't HO shoot a Tank which is about all your good at doing.

[storch]

were you able to repair your wire?

[daddog]

I can't wait to see what's on next friday.

Italy 1943. Focus around Messina.

[storch]

yayyyyyyy, thanks daddog