Author Topic: Spitfire (Read 5726 times)

Masherbrum · « **Reply #105 on:** January 30, 2007, 09:08:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Movie
BOTTOM LINE SPITFIRE CAN OWN JUST ABOUT ALL TYPES OF PLANES. ESPECIALLY 109 WHICH IS MY FAV TO SHOOT DOWN. DOES ANY 1 HAVE A GROUP PICTURE OF THE 71ST EAGLE SQUADRON?

I fly the Ki-61 in the LWA's. I have a 3 K/D in it. I don't vulch, so I guess the Spit's, and La's I'm bagging are "average pilots"? Not by the kill messages, they aren't. But "I suck" as most will put it.

So until then, "The Next Time When Ego's Flare!"

Karnak · « **Reply #106 on:** January 30, 2007, 09:31:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Benny Moore
They both have, and both beat me repeatedly in fair fights. However, it was often close enough that I feel confident that I could beat at least one of them if I were flying a Spitfire Mark XIV.

How do you know? You have admitted that you've never flown the Spitfire Mk XIV (14, in case of confusion). It is a much, much different animal than any other Spitfire, yet you seem to assume that it is just a Spitfire, and that is the same assumption that crappy Spitfire pilots make about it.

There is not a plane in AH that I have not flown. That you are making pompous claims while not having at least tested the various aircraft takes a lot of the credibility out of your argument.

Benny Moore · « **Reply #107 on:** January 30, 2007, 09:45:24 PM »

You make a good point. However, the fact that it is faster, climbs better, and accelerates quicker than the P-38 are enough for me. I can always win a fair fight if my ship has those three attributes over my opponent. Never mind turning. How about you join my server sometime and we'll put it to the test?

Karnak · « **Reply #108 on:** January 30, 2007, 09:54:49 PM »

I'm not saying the Spit XIV isn't very potent, it is. It is just totally different from the Spit VIII or XVI. I wouldn't use it as a representative Spitfire as it is at one of the extreme ends of wartime Spitfire performance.

I agree it has the advantage on the P-38, but only if flown to its strengths. If it tries to go vertical the P-38 should demolish it as the high torque makes it hard to be effective in that fight. It is also the worst turning Spitfire by a wide margin, giving the P-38 an even better shot at killing it via angles. Like all full span Spits, its roll rate is nothing to get excited about, especially at speeds over 350mph.

BaldEagl · « **Reply #109 on:** January 30, 2007, 11:33:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I fly the Ki-61 in the LWA's. I have a 3 K/D in it. I don't vulch, so I guess the Spit's, and La's I'm bagging are "average pilots"? Not by the kill messages, they aren't. But "I suck" as most will put it.

So until then, "The Next Time When Ego's Flare!"

KI-61 is a formidable foe for even the best Spit XVI pilots. KI-61 will out-turn it and is faster. If I remember right it's nearly as good, if not better in a climb too. I try to use fast extending passes against them because they'll eat you alive in a turn fight but so will a lot of planes.

Spit V's another story.

BaldEagl · « **Reply #110 on:** January 30, 2007, 11:42:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
If it tries to go vertical the P-38 should demolish it as the high torque makes it hard to be effective in that fight.

Huh? Have you ever flown these planes? Spit XVI will outclimb a P-38 easily.

Or are you talking about diving? If so have you ever heard of throttle control?

Just wondering.

BTW, to whomever above said they stay low in their 38 to bring the Spit down to them and force the overshoot I saw a 38 about 5K below me one night. He went to the deck and turned his tail to me. I chopped throttle and floated in on his 6. 3 rounds and he was done. Nice tactic.

Krusty · « **Reply #111 on:** January 31, 2007, 12:13:52 AM »

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Originally posted by BaldEagl
KI-61 is a formidable foe for even the best Spit XVI pilots. KI-61 will out-turn it and is faster. If I remember right it's nearly as good, if not better in a climb too. I try to use fast extending passes against them because they'll eat you alive in a turn fight but so will a lot of planes.

Spit V's another story.

Ki61 is not faster than the VIII, XVI, or XIV. It might be faster than the spitIX at certain altitudes(?), but it is a slow plane, on the order of a hurri2c or the spitv. I don't think it turns much tigther than a spit, but even if it does it has stability issues, and its performance is generally sub-par.

I still like flying it, though!

Karnak · « **Reply #112 on:** January 31, 2007, 01:03:09 AM »

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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Huh? Have you ever flown these planes? Spit XVI will outclimb a P-38 easily.

Or are you talking about diving? If so have you ever heard of throttle control?

Just wondering.

BTW, to whomever above said they stay low in their 38 to bring the Spit down to them and force the overshoot I saw a 38 about 5K below me one night. He went to the deck and turned his tail to me. I chopped throttle and floated in on his 6. 3 rounds and he was done. Nice tactic.

Vertical does not mean climb

Bruv119 · « **Reply #113 on:** January 31, 2007, 02:39:37 AM »

Is in no way a dweeb plane.

The flying characterisitcs make it easier for newer pilots yes thats why it is popular.

Skilled pilots in spitfires can pretty much beat anything if it doesnt runaway.

The people that up a spitfire and HO everything they see are just giving it a bad rep.

I'd rather fight a good spit pilot than a good LA7/P51D/190D pilot anyday.
Because of the speed issue the fight is fun and not spent chasing someone who will extend, run and then come back into the fight when you break or engage someone else.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #114 on:** January 31, 2007, 02:49:28 AM »

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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Huh? Have you ever flown these planes? Spit XVI will outclimb a P-38 easily.

Or are you talking about diving? If so have you ever heard of throttle control?

Just wondering.

BTW, to whomever above said they stay low in their 38 to bring the Spit down to them and force the overshoot I saw a 38 about 5K below me one night. He went to the deck and turned his tail to me. I chopped throttle and floated in on his 6. 3 rounds and he was done. Nice tactic.

That was me who said that about getting the Spits to drop on me. I don't recall saying it worked every time

I do recall saying that I liked the challenge of trying to defeat those guys with the advantage. Clearly you were smarter then the average Spit XVI driver. Most blow on by way too fast. So yeah under the circumstance it is a nice tactic.

So lighten up francis. Where's your Minnesota nice?

BTW fo those talking about clipped Spits. The latest warbird depot calender for February. No it's NOT and XVI but it's a clipped wing, tall tail Spitfire LFIXe. Same bird as the XVI but with the Rolls Merlin instead of the Packard version.

Angus · « **Reply #115 on:** January 31, 2007, 02:52:36 AM »

A Spit pilot doesn't always face just one opponent, and with many around, there are good odds that the Spit can not run away.
Also bear that in mind....

Actually one evasive maneuver used by Spit drivers was a conkscrew climb.
No one would follow, so if the bandits were many and co-alt this was the only way out.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #116 on:** January 31, 2007, 04:28:03 AM »

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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Huh? Have you ever flown these planes? Spit XVI will outclimb a P-38 easily.

Or are you talking about diving? If so have you ever heard of throttle control?

Just wondering.

BTW, to whomever above said they stay low in their 38 to bring the Spit down to them and force the overshoot I saw a 38 about 5K below me one night. He went to the deck and turned his tail to me. I chopped throttle and floated in on his 6. 3 rounds and he was done. Nice tactic.

Just because a plane has a better climb rate doesn't mean it has better vertical performance.

As for those P-38 pilots you've run across, they sound like they didn't know what they were doing in the Lightning. And I'm sure you're stretching the truth just a wee bit.

You want to kill a Spifire in the P-38?

Keep the fight fast, above 300mph IAS or faster.

Use vertical maneuvers to gain an angle

If you can't fight at high speed, fight at stall speeds. Works great on the deck, Spitfire can't dive out for speed and runs a greater risk of spinning in because it couldn't get enough speed to recover from a stall. Using the Cloverleaf maneuver is great for this. Great tactic to use against the Spitfire XVI.

And the most important tip is...

Keep the fight out of the medium speed range. Spitfire will chew up a P-38 in this range. Fight high or low...

Basically, using the strengths of the P-38 while exploiting the weaknesses of the Spitfire. Of course, if the Spitfire driver is as good as the P-38 driver then things can get really exciting and usually boils down to who made the first mistake or who was able to squeeze more out of their plane.

ack-ack

munki · « **Reply #117 on:** January 31, 2007, 06:02:29 AM »

sorry lads to be a bit forward but your all getting this out of context. say what you like it takes a skill to fly these planes real or in game and yes there is some easyer than others but the planes with the more agility and ease of flying, arent they the truely great planes. a good plane should be a well tuned machine that the pilot can trust and be confortable with. im not going to pick a plane that i find harder to fly why would i do that i love all models of spits im british so ofcourse i will but the fact that the spit 16 can do things it has no right to be doing is an acoplishment. and another thing all spits take a bit of flying but for me they suit my style of flying nothing to do with "oh th spit 16 can do this and that so im going to fly it" i fly it becouse in my eyes its a fu*king killing machine and it doesnt deserve to be called a dweeb plane so please DONT BE CALLING BRITISH PLANES NAMES except the disasters lol

munki · « **Reply #118 on:** January 31, 2007, 06:02:29 AM »

sorry lads to be a bit forward but your all getting this out of context. say what you like it takes a skill to fly these planes real or in game and yes there is some easyer than others but the planes with the more agility and ease of flying, arent they the truely great planes. a good plane should be a well tuned machine that the pilot can trust and be confortable with. im not going to pick a plane that i find harder to fly why would i do that i love all models of spits im british so ofcourse i will but the fact that the spit 16 can do things it has no right to be doing is an acoplishment. and another thing all spits take a bit of flying but for me they suit my style of flying nothing to do with "oh th spit 16 can do this and that so im going to fly it" i fly it becouse in my eyes its a fu*king killing machine and it doesnt deserve to be called a dweeb plane so please DONT BE CALLING BRITISH PLANES NAMES except the disasters lol

Masherbrum · « **Reply #119 on:** January 31, 2007, 06:11:29 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Ki61 is not faster than the VIII, XVI, or XIV. It might be faster than the spitIX at certain altitudes(?), but it is a slow plane, on the order of a hurri2c or the spitv. I don't think it turns much tigther than a spit, but even if it does it has stability issues, and its performance is generally sub-par.

I still like flying it, though!

It's not that slow. It WILL turn with Spit 5's. I've done it without flaps, but with chopping throttle. The Ki61 is more than Par in terms of the whole planeset. It is one of the BEST planes for E Management in the game, but is rarely used. Like EVERY plane it has it's weakness.

But the one thing 99% of the people forget to do, is drain as much of both wing tanks before fighting. If you can, you'll have NO PROBLEM turning and keeping E longer.

BTW, I've run down La's, 38's, a 262, and many Ponies in this. It can be done, but again since "I suck" I'll grab another beer and continue to laugh as I continue to fly it against "superior planes" and shooting them down.