Veteran Arena...

[Mustaine]

this is probably THE most absurd suggestion in the history of the game... but what the Hell...


I was explaining to a good buddy of mine what has been going on in the HTC community lately. He has been following with interest my "flight siim" career for a while now, and would LOVE to play this game we have so much fun at, but his wife will NEVER let him pay to play an online game EVER>...


point being we were talking about HO's and newbies, and all that jazz... and he said

Why don;t they make an Only Veterans Arena

I have been around the community for over 5 years now (AGAIN for those who don't know I was JB73 in the past... anyway, I have never seen or heard of something like this brought up before.


Immediately I said "how do you be a veteran?" he said "points" we talked and he saw how points don;t work. he said "hours logged online" I explained how there are 15 year Vets who sometimes only log 10 hours in a month.



the ONLY thing we could come up with is HTC record data.

now this is not something they will ever give out, but they must have a database of old names registered, in fact I know they do. when I recently re-joined I had to prove I was the old "Mustaine" to get my name back.

some of us "Vets" go back 5 years. many 10 - 15 years.



here's the absolute CRAZY part.... what about an arena where only people playing AH for more than 3+ (or 4) years can go in?


it is the old vets that want and enjoy the "furball" arena anyway...


in a weird way it may entice a player to stay a subscriber longer.

say for example a requirement for access to the arena is 20 tours with logged time in, under various CIPD's as long as it is proven you are the same person.


in said arena, some of the "normal" MA map rules could be a bit different. bases a bit closer, strat much higher to attack, country change limit to 0 like the DA, possibly bombers disabled.... so on and so forth.





Like I said right off this has got to be the most ABSURD suggestion, but it is something I have never seen even talked about, so let's talk about it



one last thing... I KNOW this could be a logistical nightmare for HTC... sorry, but thats the way it is. there is NO automatic inclusion to said arena, you must call them directly long distance, paying your own way, and PROVE you are someone who has been around that long of a time. I'd hope it wouldn't be more than a matter of keystrokes for Carrie or whomever happens to answer to see who you really are, say a CC validation, heck maybe a 1 time processing fee of $20 to offset the difficulties.

If you decide you must "change your name" $5 to keep access to the veterans arena.



I don;t think for a second the old hands would hesitate for a second to pay that extra sum for the good old furballs




sorry LAST EDIT, the last trick is this arena could never have a CAP to hold paying vet's out.


LAST one I swear... we all know there are a ton of vets on ALL the time... and if there's worry about "all" the vets leaving the newbie flock untrained think of this, yes there will be some who go in there with only 10 players or whatever, but the majority I think will hold off until there is a larger number in there.

also there are a lot of vets ingrained into the game who enjoy helping new players out (I know I have done my share trust me) so I don't think this would be a "mass exodus" of all vets from the current main arenas, but a gradual increase of the "furrballers" in there over time... both in the long run, and over the course of a day (as far as arena numbers go)

[FrodeMk3]

Mustaine, I think that this would indicate that the community is split, and it would be almost a rub-your-nose-in-it to newer players.

It would be setting up an "elite" arena, and when it became common knowledge, and known to everyone who had been playing this game for a week, I could see it having the effect of alienating, and eventually driving away, some of the other players. Or worse. It would have the potential of creating a monster( or monsters, as it were) in the other arena's, leaving the "vets" trying to hold on to the last vestiges of the game's original ideals in the 20 tours only arena.

IMHO, We need to have the vets circulating among the newbs, just for the sake of trying to maintain what we currently have.

[Mustaine]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
...leaving the "vets" trying to hold on to the last vestiges of the game's original ideals in the 20 tours only arena.

IMHO, We need to have the vets circulating among the newbs, just for the sake of trying to maintain what we currently have.

 that's part of the problem I see personally. the vets signing off in droves, annoyed by the "newbies" and the lack of discipline in learning the art of dogfighting.

personally I would not log into the "vet's" arena unless the numbers were in the 75+ range at an absolute minimum. others would have their own thresholds, but id really don;t think it would suck "all" of the vets out of the main arenas.


agree to disagree

[Rolex]

I don't know about everyone else, but I wonder if the wife who "...will NEVER let him pay to play an online game EVER>..." knows that he's out there having ideas on his own?

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3

It would be setting up an "elite" arena

oh cod.. have you seen how some of these vets play? There is nothing "elite" about them at all

[FrodeMk3]

True, Nilsen-But it's not the abilities(or lack thereof) that would be the problem, it's the mindset it would instill.

[manurin]

ummm, what an interesting idea!!

Looks like kind of a segregation idea to me, YOU the elite of the game!!  
 
Sorry for the lack of discipline wich will not restrain me to shoot you down !

 regards to your friend.

[Laurie]

Originally posted by Mustaine
that's part of the problem I see personally. the vets signing off in droves, annoyed by the "newbies" and the lack of discipline in learning the art of dogfighting.

personally I would not log into the "vet's" arena unless the numbers were in the 75+ range at an absolute minimum. others would have their own thresholds, but id really don;t think it would suck "all" of the vets out of the main arenas.


agree to disagree

have said it before, would be solved if we had a game 'tutorial' and lil thing about game 'eticate'

[storch]

a man whose "wife would not allow him"?

regarding your idea.  people need to be able to roll with the punches.  everything in the universe is in a state of flux, the only constant is change and change is always for the better.

anyone who truly wants an all out nothing but furball fight can get that by either logging on to the DA and simply waiting for a like minded players to arrive or set up a pre appointed rendevous.

I'll add that in the Allied vs Axis arena you will find exactly what you are looking for with certain conditions.  you may not always find your preferred ride but often you will find a willing opponent that will give you your $14.95's worth for that month.

I suggest to any "vet" truly looking for a fight to log onto the AvA and even if the arena is empty with fifteen minutes you will have your fights.

[GooseAW]

I disagree with the assumption that it's a "vet vs. newb" issue anyway.

It's a gameplay style issue. We "vets" have typically become entrenched in our style and I know of many vets that have no desire to furball and much prefer to fly there buffs, escorted by squaddies, to an nme base and try to capture it or just find satisfaction in getting to the target and hitting it.

I came from AW and can't even force myself to take a pure HO shot in KOTH where it is openly acceptable supposedly. There are other "vets" that will take it everytime!

All this to say the dividing line is not vets/newbs...IMO

Maybe if the vets find a way to promote the value of the fight instead of the kill we can better gameplay from our perspective. Heck, I really don't know....

{S} for thinking out of the box! But it ain't ever gonna be what we loved about the "Ole Days".

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by Mustaine
it is the old vets that want and enjoy the "furball" arena anyway...

it's not just the old vets who prefer furballing over playing the strat game.

personally I would not log into the "vet's" arena unless the numbers were in the 75+ range at an absolute minimum

if it was an actual furball arena, say a FT island surrounded by nuttin' but water, you wouldn't need a lot of numbers, IMHO...

[republic]

Originally posted by storch

I suggest to any "vet" truly looking for a fight to log onto the AvA and even if the arena is empty with fifteen minutes you will have your fights.

AvA, the red headed stepchild of AH.

[Bingolong]

Make a blackout/redout arena and hvy buffeting that has a lower % of HO hits vs an arena  that does not.

any1 heard of this before?

[bzek74]

The ho is legit its just that in a game theres no true aspect of life and death to be a countermeasure against it. Watch the history channel and read books it was used quite a bit. The thing that bugs me is newbs that dont break and down you go.

[Bucky73]

I think just making the "newbs" do 5 hours in TA before you can even click on the MA would do a world of good. I don't mind helping new guys out but it's those that don't even make an effort to learn anything about the game before they log into the MA that chap my ***.