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Offline lasersailor184

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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2007, 03:34:09 PM »
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I'm for the draft.  110%.  No exemptions, no deferments.  Everyone 18 to 23 serves 5 years.  What else can they do that's worthwhile, really?

All the Best,

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p.s.  All in the 3 branches of government are first in line for kids, grandkids, and great grandkids to serve.


To revolt, that's what we're good for.  It's about time we cleaned house on the socialists.

I am one person who will not run to canada if this bill or similar draft bills get enacted.  You'll see me on the steps of congress running this country within days.
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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2007, 03:41:22 PM »
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 You'll see me on the steps of congress running this country within days.


Batta Boom!!! :)

I finally get your humor  

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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2007, 03:52:14 PM »
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To revolt, that's what we're good for.  It's about time we cleaned house on the socialists.

I am one person who will not run to canada if this bill or similar draft bills get enacted.  You'll see me on the steps of congress running this country within days.


Did you register for selective service?
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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2007, 04:14:40 PM »
I'm Exempt!  I'm EXEMPT!!!  


Ohhh yeaaaah Baby!!!!









Wait a minute....









I served 20 Years already in the Army....



Nevermind.


Mac

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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2007, 04:30:14 PM »
http://www.schoolhouserock.tv/Bill.html

This should unbunch your undies.
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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2007, 04:31:55 PM »
Well see, if you submit to national service, then you get to kill a whole pile of Bugs. Once yer done that you can become a citizen and you could even vote!

Oh...wait..nevermind, that was in a movie, sorry for the confusion......carry on.

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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2007, 04:33:33 PM »
Oh my god, enslaved!!!! Forced to do public service in the defense of the nation that will protect them their entire life!!!

Oh teh Horrarz!

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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2007, 04:44:56 PM »
I think I'm just going to join the Coast Guard.
Who are you to wave your finger?

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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2007, 04:51:37 PM »
the Coast Guard is fun, you get to stop boat loads of bikini clad girls and "inspect" them.

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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2007, 05:50:14 PM »
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Did you register for selective service?


I did.  My views have changed since then.  If it ever got the point where they started drafting (a real full out war), I think I would have volunteered.  But I won't be able to say until that day comes.


But the one thing to incur my wrath is to not let me have a choice.

Anyway, in PA at least, you can't get federal grants and loans for college without being registered for selective service.
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« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2007, 05:51:52 PM »
As having served 19-1/2 years military, full and part-time, and in places where I got shot at on occasion, I've no problem with national service being a requirement.

I'd have a whole lot of ways you would qualify for it:  School teacher = time served.  Volunteer or full time fireman or paramedic = good to go.  Work at the local animal shelter = okay, next.  Police officers = done.  Same for doctors and medical techs.  Fire forest fires for a season or two.  Volunteer at a youth center.  Drive for the elderly or deliver them meals.  Lot's of possibilities.  

Basically anything that comes under the realm of public services, emergency response, or volunteer activities would count toward time served in performing national service.  Pick up trash along the road on weekends.  Clean up a dump site.  Lot's of ways you could get "credit" or "exemption" from service.

Want to buy your way out of it rich kids?  Sure... mail the check here, and no, it's NOT tax deductible!  

We don't need national service?  Maybe not, but I think the nation as a whole could benefit GREATLY from national service, and certainly many of the young adults could benefit from such activities, even if forced to do so.  Sense of community?  A sense of pride in accomplishment?  

Flip side, there would have to be a lot of oversight for many of these activities and a screening process.  No good deed goes unpunished.


And to any of you about to cry about "YOUR FREEDOM"..... I'll remind you that your freedom did not come free.  It's paid for in blood and sacrifice.  Doing some volunteer service seems a pretty cheap price.
 
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« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2007, 06:13:28 PM »
eagl, I think the phrase you are looking for is 0h noes!

Sandy, don't go throwing logic out in a pandemonium thread.
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« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2007, 06:23:16 PM »
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I'm Exempt!  I'm EXEMPT!!!  


Ohhh yeaaaah Baby!!!!









Wait a minute....









I served 20 Years already in the Army....



Nevermind.


Mac


     Don't be so sure..I got a nastygram from Selective service when I was
19 saying I hadn't registered.  I wrote one back replying that I had indeed
registered and that if they didn't like it, they could contact me via my
commanding officer at Lowery AFB :rolleyes:
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« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2007, 06:41:47 PM »
I know I wouldn't have wanted to serve with guys who didn't want to be there.  You guys are forgetting the effect ditching the draft had before.  The armed forces had to become competetive, they had to attract people.  It was the free market at work.  If you've got a volunteer force you've gotta treat 'em better, pay 'em more, help their families more, buy 'em better body armor, etc., and unless things have changed in the last 10 years, enlisted guys have it rough enough.
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« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2007, 09:08:54 PM »
Korea has a two tier system...  They have regular military officer and enlisted, and their mandatory service (conscript) enlisted troops.  It seems to work out well.

A 2 year service tour would in my opinion cure a lot of social problems we have in the US, and it would return the stigma against those who run for public office after having skipped out on their military service.

Imagine that... everyone learning the true meaning of self discipline, honor, and respect at a young age, while gaining an appreciation of what it means to serve a nation that both needs your service, and protects your freedom.  Oh yea that would totally ruin everything!

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