Author Topic: National Right to Carry (Read 1580 times)

StarOfAfrica2 · « **on:** January 31, 2007, 07:35:16 PM »

Contact your Senators and ask them to vote for S.388 a national right to carry bill introduced by Sen John Thune. Apparently it's gone through the house and the Senate version will be voted on soon. I don't care how anti-gun your Senators are contact them! Even if you know they wouldnt dream of voting for something like this, if enough people email or write in to support this, it might at least make them sleep less easy at night.

Here's a story on it ........

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/01/28/concealed-carry-of-weapons-superior-to-taking-weapons/

Mark Luper · « **Reply #1 on:** January 31, 2007, 07:50:21 PM »

Cool! About time. Interesting item was:

"Incidentally, the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report shows that even though there are about 47,000 shooting deaths annually – mostly crime-on-crime – there are more than 2.5 million incidents of average Joe and Josephine Citizen using their gun to stop a crime, based on reports handed in to the FBI by law enforcement nationwide."

Mark

Brenjen · « **Reply #2 on:** January 31, 2007, 07:55:28 PM »

Yeah, it'd be nice to have but; I'd just like to see a "right to use" in the states that already have a "right to carry"

Here in Arkansas we don't even have the "your home is your castle" clause; if you can retreat you are required to do so even if you are retreating from your own home & that my friends is B#!!$%*T.

I have the permit & I carry a .45 or a .410 derringer w/buckshot but before you can defend yourself you better be cornered & shot already. Stabbed won't do it because if you shoot someone armed with a knife you used an unnecessary level of force. Luckily the police & prosecutors in many Arkansas towns will sort of overlook the technicalities of self defense laws if you are in your own home & there was a break in.

VooWho · « **Reply #3 on:** January 31, 2007, 08:07:04 PM »

In Oklahoma you have to the right to shoot any intruder that comes into your home. (breaks window, breaks down door, etc..) No matter what they have in their hand, gun, knife, cell phone, shoe, chainsaw. You have the right to defend yourself and your family. I believe it use to be you can't shoot them in your yard unless they shot at your house, but now I think you can shoot them if there on your yard threating to kill you. I pack a Chinese Type 56 carbin (SKS-47). I have two options on this gun. The 7.62/39mm or my 12inch bayonet. My house is also pack with lots more of guns that my dad and I own.

bsdaddict · « **Reply #4 on:** January 31, 2007, 08:09:29 PM »

with a dem controlled congress this doesn't have a chance...

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 31, 2007, 08:50:16 PM »

This really doesn't mean much. For example, it's downright impossible for you to get a permit in maryland. If this passes, people in maryland still get the shaft.

We need a nationwide right to carry law.

Nashwan · « **Reply #6 on:** January 31, 2007, 09:04:32 PM »

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"Incidentally, the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report shows that even though there are about 47,000 shooting deaths annually – mostly crime-on-crime – there are more than 2.5 million incidents of average Joe and Josephine Citizen using their gun to stop a crime, based on reports handed in to the FBI by law enforcement nationwide."

According to the FBI, there are about 11,000 homicides with firearms per year in the US, and another few hundred "justifiable homicides" with firearms by police and private citizens. So 36,000 of the firearms deaths are nothing to do with crime, and are either suicides or accidents.

As to the claim reports handed to the FBI show 2.5 million crimes stopped by guns*, the FBI has nothing to do with such reports. They only collect data on a subset of crimes in the US, and not on crimes prevented, apart from those where the criminal is killed (justifiable homicide)

I believe the 2.5 million figure is from one of the pro gun writers, either Kleck or Lott. I suppose it makes it look better to claim it's from an official source.

The only official study I've seen into the rate of firearms use in self defence in the US is:

"Guns and Crime: Handgun Victimization, Firearm Self-Defense, and Firearm Theft" which is available on the DOJ website: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/hvfsdaft.htm

That gives figures for the early 90s:

"In 1992 offenders armed with handguns committed a record 931,000
violent crimes."

"On average in 1987-92 about 83,000 crime victims per year used a
firearm to defend themselves or their property. Three-fourths of
the victims who used a firearm for defense did so during a violent
crime; a fourth, during a theft, household burglary, or motor
vehicle theft."

Fwiw, there's a simple reason for the dramatically higher rate of defensive gun uses in surveys such as Kleck's. If a survey finds about 2.5 million such instances a year, it equates to about 1% of the US adult population. Think there's any chance if you phone people and ask if they've defended themselves with a gun, 1 in a 100 might lie?

There's ample evidence that's the case. Kleck, for example, records that 8% of cases resulted in the defender shooting and hitting the criminal. That would be 200,000 wounded or killed criminals a year. The FBI only records about 250 justifiable homicides a year.

*if "guns don't kill people, people kill people" then how do "guns stop crime"?

Benny Moore · « **Reply #7 on:** January 31, 2007, 09:05:21 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
We need a nationwide right to carry law.

We have one, and have for over three hundred years. The problem is that the liberal scum pretend that we do not.

moot · « **Reply #8 on:** January 31, 2007, 09:07:16 PM »

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*if "guns don't kill people, people kill people" then how do "guns stop crime"?

It means people with guns stop crime, believe it or not.

Brenjen · « **Reply #9 on:** January 31, 2007, 09:40:34 PM »

The right to keep & bear arms shall not be infringed. Yet local, state & even federal govt. agencies do it all the time.

If we roll over on one right we might as well just put our hands in the air & give up all the rest because that one right is the one that guarantees all the rest.

Just writing a law that gives you a "right to carry" is ridiculous since the constitution already guarantees that right. They need to write laws that throw people in prison who try to "infringe" that right.

Gunston · « **Reply #10 on:** January 31, 2007, 09:45:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Nashwan

There's ample evidence that's the case. Kleck, for example, records that 8% of cases resulted in the defender shooting and hitting the criminal. That would be 200,000 wounded or killed criminals a year. The FBI only records about 250 justifiable homicides a year.

*if "guns don't kill people, people kill people" then how do "guns stop crime"?

They don't all result in a shooting. Count me as one of those. My wife woke me up one night and said "someone is trying to get in the back door. I expected it to be the wind but got my gun anyway and went to the door. There was a guy on the other side when I pulled back the curtain, trying to turn the knob. My wife called 911 and I pointed at the gun and told the guy "Gun I will shoot you" the guy was so high he just looked at me and said "just open the door man" then he started looking around like he was trying to find something to break the window. My wife was on the phone with 911 and I said if he breaks the window I'm going to shoot him she told the operator who didn't seem to have a problem with that. Then she told my wife the officers are in the yard, I guess to make sure I didnt hit them if I shot at him. They ordered him to put his hands up and back toward them. He didn't instead he turned and walked toward them and they slammed him to the ground. It took two of them about five minutes to wrestle his hands behind his back. Then one came back to the house to show us the 10" knife he had on him and to tell us they had also arrested an accomplice trying to get in the front door. Our son was four at the time and thankfully slept through the whole thing. I couldn't help but think about what might have happened if my wife had not woke up and they made it in the house. I'm glad I didn't have to shoot anyone but I'm also glad I had the means to defend my family if I needed to.

Hap · « **Reply #11 on:** February 01, 2007, 12:49:27 AM »

I agree. More guns. At least 42 each.

~~hap~~

Shamus · « **Reply #12 on:** February 01, 2007, 12:54:45 AM »

Most States already have reciprocity laws, have carried all over legally.

shamus

john9001 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 01, 2007, 01:00:39 AM »

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Originally posted by Hap
I agree. More guns. At least 42 each.

~~hap~~

~~hap is afraid of guns.~~

Sixpence · « **Reply #14 on:** February 01, 2007, 01:04:37 AM »

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Originally posted by bsdaddict
with a dem controlled congress this doesn't have a chance...

Attach it to a spending bill