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Offline Husky01

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Tonight I crashed more then I killed....
« on: January 31, 2007, 09:17:00 PM »
Ok well after 2 years of playing Aces High, I have finally turned off my Auto Stall Limiter in the fight options.  I would give or take i augerd about oooo 13 times tonight  trying to get this thing down lol I can see that its def going to take a lot of time to get used to.

So I was jsut wondering if anyone got any lil hints or tips to get me started with out the auto stall.

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Re: Tonight I crashed more then I killed....
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2007, 10:11:30 PM »
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Ok well after 2 years of playing Aces High, I have finally turned off my Auto Stall Limiter in the fight options.  I would give or take i augerd about oooo 13 times tonight  trying to get this thing down lol I can see that its def going to take a lot of time to get used to.

So I was jsut wondering if anyone got any lil hints or tips to get me started with out the auto stall.

All

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I know a vet flying with training wheels! Sad isnt it!


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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2007, 10:52:41 PM »
Listen very carefully to the stall horn. Learn what it sounds like when a stall happens. After awhile you will almost hear it subconsiously & know when you're on the verge of a stall. You can sometimes get buffeting as well & you'll know not to pull any harder.

 Learn to fly on the edge of the envelope without going over the edge. You won't believe how big of difference it will make on your ability to maneuver without the stall limiter. Unfortunately it's like learning to fly all over again.


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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2007, 04:27:17 AM »
Woody is right. Its learning to fly all over again.


You now cannot just "yank on the stick" anymore... you need to be more careful flying on the edge.

The stall horn is a very important indicator. Stick to one plane for a while again, so you get a feel for its handling. Id actually suggest a Spit5 or Spit9 or even a HurriMk2C, they all have very easy stall recovery.

Go to the TA/offline, practice your maneuvers again. Make them "textbook"... ie flatturn - no loss of alt etc. Get a feel for the stall and listen to the horn, try to pinpoint the volume you have "on the edge". Yes, that includes pushing your plane over!! Stall out on purpose, learn to recover. Loops at low speed are also a good practice for low speed handling.

In other words: put yourself and the plane throught its pace untill you can maneuver sharply without stalling all the time.


One more thing: youre probably very hamfisted on the stick out of habit. Scaling the input a down might help a little with that.
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2007, 07:40:07 AM »
Turn engine sound down, turn wind up.

Learn to listen to the stall sounds & the wind for clues about your speed.

And of course what schatzi said above.

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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2007, 09:29:07 AM »
I thought Stall Limiter was rendered useless after 2 weeks or "so" many hours of fly time. Never having used it, how much of a "RR" advantage does it provide?

How many folks out there use it, I wonder?


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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2007, 09:35:40 AM »
Wow  husky you have been playing with it on?????

I built a new PC on monday and had a fresh download of AH (moved across most of my folders to save time)

Upped in the TA in a spit 9 to see if my stick was all setup ok and tried doing some flat turns.  I was like wtf is going on here felt like my elevators were stuck in the turns.  Dawned on me to check the stall limiter and turn it off (phew).

Max as its a default setting to be turned on lets just not mention it and carry on killing.....  :t
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2007, 09:46:27 AM »
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I thought Stall Limiter was rendered useless after 2 weeks or "so" many hours of fly time. Never having used it, how much of a "RR" advantage does it provide?

How many folks out there use it, I wonder?

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Most people do for some time. It's on by default.

I discovered the "stall limiter" after a week or so ;)
After I unchecked it I quickly reasoned that I was not ready then to fly without it, with so much other things to learn first. Only after 3 months I finally dropped the limiter.
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2007, 10:27:19 AM »
i turned the limiter off from the start, by suggestion of some help files i read

cant imagine dogfighting and never hearing a stall horn, i wud last even less time than i do know if my manuevres were so limited...

i have no idea how he did it

like shatzi said, play with the stall horn, you might also get the "stall shakes" now, that is a firm indicator of the stall limits :P

run through all your acm again, i think after youll get used to it youll be suprised at all the angles you find yourself in that youve been missing all this time

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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2007, 10:41:48 AM »
Ihave my stall Limiter on, and every time I take it off, If im near the ground, I just FLOP over to one side and crash, I can be moving at a really clip of speed and this happens. Also if I get to close to a plane this happens. The flop die thing. Is this possible a glitch, or me.
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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2007, 12:24:51 PM »
This sounds crazy, but I recommend turning off the stall horn.  Use the buffetting instead.  The stall horn causes pilots to be too cautious off too soon.  I learned stall fighting in another simulator that used an audio buffeting as well as visual, but when I switched to Aces High I turned off the stall horn and just used the visual.

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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2007, 12:26:01 PM »
Actually Benny, when you SEE the buffeting, youre already beyond the "sweet point"... relaxing a little on the stick often produces a much better turn rate at that point.
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2007, 12:33:14 PM »
Turning to a force feedback stick was the greatest thing I've done for my game in the ten+ years I've played.  I get just the slightest vibration as I approach the envelope (I think it's even before the stall horn comes on;  need to check that) and it definitely helps me ride the edge.   FF and TIR are the best things to get added to my computer since I bought my first CH stick twelve years or so ago!
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2007, 12:47:30 PM »
The thing is the stall limiter cuts off your stick input. MOST planes can pull a lot more deflection than the SL allows.

The problem is that at higher speeds full deflection can snap-spin you. You need kid gloves when flying a 190 for example. If you just jerk the stick full back while doing almost any speed you'll find yourself inverted more often than not.

Now that SL is off, the trick is learning not to OVER-control your aircraft. You have full control of it now (as opposed to limited with SL enabled), but full control also requires personal control. Don't ever pull full deflection at first. Even if you "want to" or "need to" to get onto that target just out of reach, pull gentle motions. Pull wide at first, then tighter, and slightly tighter.

Eventually you'll get the feel of how hard you can pull on any given plane without exiting the flight envelope, and you'll be much better off for it. SL limits what you can do. It says "You can't get within 5% of the edge", but if you take if off you can get to 1% from the edge, or even on the edge, and perform much much better. The down side is the stalls and flips, but those can be helpful at times.

To tell the truth I correct wing dips and snap stalls instantly. I realized this about a month ago. I don't even think about it, it just happens automatically an I keep on fighting. You won't even notice them, after a while.

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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2007, 02:19:23 PM »
Thanks all for the help should take some time but sounds like it will be worth it.
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