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Offline lazs2

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« on: February 02, 2007, 11:06:38 AM »
Not your old pre 1970 liberal...  The old pre 70 liberal was for human rights... he didn't believe there should be colored drinking fountains for instance but... he felt that everyone was an individual and was responsible for their own actions.  They were more libertarians than anything else.

I am going only on personal experiance but... I seen the "new liberal" come into existence in the 70's.   The more I seen of him the less I wanted to do with him.

The new liberal came out of the classrooms of the radical socialist professors and... the commune..  the hippies were the core of the new commie version of the "liberal"..  

As a biker and all around bad guy drug dealer etc.. back then...  the hippies mistakenly embraced me and my fellow old style liberals as  fellow free spirits...  

Communes could be any "cell" of hippies..

I have been on ones with 50 or more out in the toolies to ones that were a big room of a loose "family" of 4 or 5 in a filthy city like Oakland or frisco.

They all had one thing in common.. they were commies.   They felt the whole had a right to squash the rights of the individual... true democracy in action.   The same democracy that allows a majority of islamofacists to stone to death a woman for adultry... these socialists of course.. embraced adultry but had their own rules that infringed on individual rights.

This is the core of the new liberal socialist... in times past... a contradiction in terms... liberal used to stand for individual rights... now... it was the ant people hippies who defined "liberal"... and that was... socialism.

The mesh of the individualist like myself and the hippie always started out fine but ended in grief... often violence but always expulsion... no big deal... didn't need or want em anyway...  They could not control my life in anything but a small patch of the country where their socialism ruled.. be it a few acres or a trash strewn room somewhere.

The hippies have grown up and wear a new uniform to blend in but they sure seem like the same old anti individualist commies I grew up with.   They just have a lot more power now and they think the commune is the whole damn planet.    

They have hidden in the democratic party... all but the most radical (or honest) who are in the fringe socialist parties.

The new liberal is not a true liberal so much as a socialist... the feminine socialist side of him is appalled by the thought of libertarianism or individualism.

That is why it is a little confusing to use the term "liberal" these days... it ain't what it used to be... just like "republican" or "democrat" aint what they used to be.

Soooo.. when I refer to "liberals" here... I am talking about the new liberal socialist not the old time honored libertarian/individualist version of the liberal.

lazs

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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2007, 11:17:13 AM »
Thanks for clearing that up laz,  you hippie....

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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2007, 11:20:46 AM »
OooooooooK.:confused:
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2007, 11:37:28 AM »
Paranoid Personality Disorder
American Description    
Diagnostic Criteria

   1. A pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that their motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by four (or more) of the following:
       
 1. suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are exploiting, harming, or deceiving him or her
         
2. is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or trustworthiness of friends or associates
         
3. is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear that the information will be used maliciously against him or her
       
 4. reads hidden demeaning or threatening meanings into benign remarks or events
         
5. persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults, injuries, or slights
         
6. perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to counterattack
         
7. has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding fidelity of spouse or sexual partner
   
2. Does not occur exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia, a Mood Disorder With Psychotic Features, or another Psychotic Disorder and is not due to the direct physiological effects of a general medical condition.


Furthermore, you were not, have never been, a true individualist. The unibomber, now THERE was in individualist.
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2007, 11:49:06 AM »
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SNIP


Therapist



Therapist can be a highly annoying and therefore very effective Warrior. Instead of making a frontal attack, Therapist attempts to shift the focus of the conflict to the combatants' psychological motivations and problems. He will freely speculate about other Warriors' insecurities, personalities and relationships, but he will almost never directly engage the subject of the dispute. CAUTION:  Evil Clown, Imposter  and Troller  often masquerade as Therapist.


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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2007, 11:50:50 AM »
it's sorta like conservative vs. neo-conservative.  as a libertarian, I consider myself a classic liberal, not a neo-liberal.

(some wikipedia stuff)

Liberalism is an ideology, philosophical view, and political tradition which holds that liberty is the primary political value.  Liberalism has its roots in the Western Age of Enlightenment, but the term has taken on different meanings in different time periods (for example now in the United States generally it means new liberalism while in the rest of the world has the meaning of classical liberalism).  Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights. It seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on power (especially of government and religion), the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy that supports free private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of all citizens are protected.

Social liberalism (also new liberalism, radical liberalism, modern liberalism, welfare liberalism) advocates a greater degree of government interference in the free market, often in the form of anti-discrimination laws, universal education, and progressive taxation. This philosophy frequently extends to a belief that the government should provide for a degree of general welfare, including benefits for the unemployed, housing for the homeless, and medical care for the sick. Such publicly-funded initiatives and interferences in the market are rejected by modern advocates of classical liberalism, which emphasizes free private enterprise, individual property rights and freedom of contract; classical liberals hold that economic inequality, as arising naturally from competition in the free market, does not justify the violation of private property rights.

Libertarianism usually refers to a political philosophy maintaining that every person is the absolute owner of his own life and should be free to do whatever he wishes with his person or property, as long as he respects the liberty of others.
Note on terminology: Some writers who have been called libertarians have also been referred to as classical liberals, by others or themselves. Also, some use the phrase "the freedom philosophy" to refer to libertarianism, classical liberalism. or both.
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2007, 12:01:23 PM »
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4. reads hidden demeaning or threatening meanings into benign remarks or events
 


I think every married man can relate to this one.
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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2007, 03:39:43 PM »
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I think every married man can relate to this one.


Yeah that's a hook waiting to be baited. heh

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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2007, 03:43:24 PM »
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SNIP


Self-proclaimed Spit Dweebs should be suspended from the ceiling by their feet, scorched with exhaust from an F4U-4, and doused in drain cleaner.

Hows THAT for a frontal attack?:D

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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2007, 03:52:26 PM »
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....Hows THAT for a frontal attack?:D


probably bad practice to HO a hizzokah dork

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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2007, 03:56:01 PM »
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Self-proclaimed Spit Dweebs should be suspended from the ceiling by their feet, scorched with exhaust from an F4U-4, and doused in drain cleaner.

Hows THAT for a frontal attack?:D


:rofl :rofl
Glad to see you took that with the spirit intended. :aok

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probably bad practice to HO a hizzokah dork


What he said.:p

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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2007, 10:42:58 AM »
Thanks bs...

I guess "welfare liberal" is more accurate since the whole socialist welfare FDR thing got really going in LBJ's term and the effects really kicked in around the 70's  The cost however is just now starting to become apparent.

Paranoid?   don't know.   I do have a healthy distrust for people telling what I can and can't due under the guise of it being for my own good.

I do have what I think is a healthy distrust for democracy without considering the rights of the individual.

red bottom....Not a true individualist?   Probly not..  some combination of individualist and libertarian with a sprinkling of anarchist thrown in... no one fits real well into any mold... just like you are not a true commie...  there is some totalitarian mixed in....

We have better cars and electronics and gadgets now than then.   Maybe better health care and breakthrough medical procedures but... Not sure the quality of life has improved..   I don't think anyone will argue tho that we have less personal freedom.

lazs

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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2007, 07:36:35 PM »
I really don't believe "liberals" suffer a genetic deficiency. I believe they are just independence impaired.

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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2007, 08:41:26 PM »
We don't need no stinking "new liberals", we still have too many old liberals around that we haven't got to run to Canada yet.
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2007, 08:50:21 PM »
What a load of crap.