Author Topic: Is this how they do things in Texas? (Read 1403 times)

lukster · « **Reply #15 on:** February 04, 2007, 10:08:11 AM »

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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Cervical cancer tends to occur in midlife. Half of women diagnosed with this cancer are between the ages of 35 and 55. It rarely occurs in women younger than 20. Although cervical cancer does affect young women, many older women do not realize that the risk of developing cervical cancer is still present as they age. Slightly over 20% of women with cervical cancer are diagnosed when they are over 65. It is important for older women to continue having regular Pap tests at least until age 70, and possibly longer. See the section, "Can Cervical Cancer Be Prevented?" for more specific information on current American Cancer Society screening recommendations.

I hardly think that this supports your statement that most of those targeted for the vaccine will be exposed to the virus. Take a look at the money and see if there is a connection between the drugmaker and the lawmaker. If so, then its just politics as usual.

I know that the virus causes cervical cancer in some later in life. That's the whole point of the vaccination. I'm missing the point of your restatement of this. Perhaps "most" is inaccurate but the virus is a very common std.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #16 on:** February 04, 2007, 10:12:20 AM »

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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Really? What percentage of girls aquire cervical cancer? Hold on, Im gonna do some Internet research.

I'll haveta look it up but I remember reading that something like 75% of people. Both male and female are exposed to or conctract HPV at some point in their lives.

Ahh did a quick search

According to the CDC

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Genital HPV infection is a sexually transmitted disease (STD) that is caused by human papillomavirus (HPV). Human papillomavirus is the name of a group of viruses that includes more than 100 different strains or types. More than 30 of these viruses are sexually transmitted, and they can infect the genital area of men and women including the skin of the noodle, vulva (area outside the vagina), or anus, and the linings of the vagina, cervix, or rectum. Most people who become infected with HPV will not have any symptoms and will clear the infection on their own.

Some of these viruses are called "high-risk" types, and may cause abnormal Pap tests. They may also lead to cancer of the cervix, vulva, vagina, anus, or noodle. Others are called "low-risk" types, and they may cause mild Pap test abnormalities or genital warts. Genital warts are single or multiple growths or bumps that appear in the genital area, and sometimes are cauliflower shaped.

Approximately 20 million people are currently infected with HPV.
At least 50 percent of sexually active men and women acquire genital HPV infection at some point in their lives. By age 50, at least 80 percent of women will have acquired genital HPV infection. About 6.2 million Americans get a new genital HPV infection each year."

http://www.cdc.gov/std/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm

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But to answer your question

"All types of HPV can cause mild Pap test abnormalities which do not have serious consequences. Approximately 10 of the 30 identified genital HPV types can lead, in rare cases, to development of cervical cancer. Research has shown that for most women (90 percent), cervical HPV infection becomes undetectable within two years. Although only a small proportion of women have persistent infection, persistent infection with "high-risk" types of HPV is the main risk factor for cervical cancer.

A Pap test can detect pre-cancerous and cancerous cells on the cervix. Regular Pap testing and careful medical follow-up, with treatment if necessary, can help ensure that pre-cancerous changes in the cervix caused by HPV infection do not develop into life threatening cervical cancer. The Pap test used in U.S. cervical cancer screening programs is responsible for greatly reducing deaths from cervical cancer. For 2004, the American Cancer Society estimates that about 10,520 women will develop invasive cervical cancer and about 3,900 women will die from this disease. Most women who develop invasive cervical cancer have not had regular cervical cancer screening"

lukster · « **Reply #17 on:** February 04, 2007, 10:21:25 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I agree that it should not be mandatory and... it would seem that it is not.

I also agree that it is different than small pox or other vacinations that protect the whole of the people from a disease. The methods of how they are spread it the crux of the thing..

Also.. does anyone feel bothered by even more public school intrusion in our lives and families?

The school should have nothing to do with any medical procedures. If there is a disease like small pox that can be spread they simply need to see proof of vacination before admission to school so as to not endanger the other students.

lazs

I agree with you in principle but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. I'm glad that polio and smallpox were virtually eliminated due to mandatory vaccinations if you wanted to participate in social evironments like public school, military, or food service.

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #18 on:** February 04, 2007, 10:24:28 AM »

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Originally posted by lukster
I know that the virus causes cervical cancer in some later in life. That's the whole point of the vaccination. I'm missing the point of your restatement of this. Perhaps "most" is inaccurate but the virus is a very common std.

A PAP smear can find the virus nearly 100% of the time. So after 3 or 4 PAP smears, if one had the virus it would most certainly show up. And since the virus is 100% treatable before cancer developes, maybe, just maybe , there is a better way to handle this than forcefully injecting young women with powerful drugs whether they need it or not. Thats my point.

lukster · « **Reply #19 on:** February 04, 2007, 10:25:43 AM »

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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
A PAP smear can find the virus nearly 100% of the time. So after 3 or 4 PAP smears, if one had the virus it would most certainly show up. And since the virus is 100% treatable before cancer developes, maybe, just maybe , there is a better way to handle this than forcefully injecting young women with powerful drugs whether they need it or not. Thats my point.

So, you are for forcing pap smears on women then?

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #20 on:** February 04, 2007, 10:28:51 AM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I'll haveta look it up but I remember reading that something like 75% of people. Both male and female are exposed to or conctract HPV at some point in their lives.

Ahh did a quick search

According to the CDC

"

Genital HPV infection is a sexually transmitted disease (STD) that is caused by human papillomavirus (HPV). Human papillomavirus is the name of a group of viruses that includes more than 100 different strains or types. More than 30 of these viruses are sexually transmitted, and they can infect the genital area of men and women including the skin of the noodle, vulva (area outside the vagina), or anus, and the linings of the vagina, cervix, or rectum. Most people who become infected with HPV will not have any symptoms and will clear the infection on their own.

Some of these viruses are called "high-risk" types, and may cause abnormal Pap tests. They may also lead to cancer of the cervix, vulva, vagina, anus, or noodle. Others are called "low-risk" types, and they may cause mild Pap test abnormalities or genital warts. Genital warts are single or multiple growths or bumps that appear in the genital area, and sometimes are cauliflower shaped.

Approximately 20 million people are currently infected with HPV.
At least 50 percent of sexually active men and women acquire genital HPV infection at some point in their lives. By age 50, at least 80 percent of women will have acquired genital HPV infection. About 6.2 million Americans get a new genital HPV infection each year."

http://www.cdc.gov/std/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm

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But to answer your question

"All types of HPV can cause mild Pap test abnormalities which do not have serious consequences. Approximately 10 of the 30 identified genital HPV types can lead, in rare cases, to development of cervical cancer. Research has shown that for most women (90 percent), cervical HPV infection becomes undetectable within two years. Although only a small proportion of women have persistent infection, persistent infection with "high-risk" types of HPV is the main risk factor for cervical cancer.

A Pap test can detect pre-cancerous and cancerous cells on the cervix. Regular Pap testing and careful medical follow-up, with treatment if necessary, can help ensure that pre-cancerous changes in the cervix caused by HPV infection do not develop into life threatening cervical cancer. The Pap test used in U.S. cervical cancer screening programs is responsible for greatly reducing deaths from cervical cancer. For 2004, the American Cancer Society estimates that about 10,520 women will develop invasive cervical cancer and about 3,900 women will die from this disease. Most women who develop invasive cervical cancer have not had regular cervical cancer screening"

We don't know exactly what causes cervical cancer, but certain risk factors are believed to have an effect. Medical history and lifestyle - especially sexual habits - play a role in a woman's chances of developing cervical cancer.

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #21 on:** February 04, 2007, 10:31:36 AM »

Can Cervical Cancer be Prevented?

Early-stage cervical cancer and precancerous cervical conditions are almost 100% curable.

The most common forms of cervical cancer begin with changes in cervical cells.

If these changes are detected early enough, treatment can be started immediately to prevent cervical cancer from developing.

The best way to detect early cervical cancer and precancerous conditions of the cervix is to have a gynecologic examination and Pap test.

Let me guess, some drug company spent a lot of money to develope this vaccine
and they arent going to eat it.

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #22 on:** February 04, 2007, 10:32:33 AM »

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Originally posted by lukster
So, you are for forcing pap smears on women then?

no, are you for forcing injections on women?

Thrawn · « **Reply #23 on:** February 04, 2007, 10:42:48 AM »

Not only is the governor acting like a tyrant but he is using the tax dollars of people who may be against vaccination to carry out his agenda.

Just because one agrees with the agenda doesn't mean the governor is following the principles of democracy or freedom. Ruling by edict is bull****.

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #24 on:** February 04, 2007, 10:47:58 AM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Not only is the governor acting like a tyrant but he is using the tax dollars of people who may be against vaccination to carry out his agenda.

Just because one agrees with the agenda doesn't mean the governor is following the principles of democracy or freedom. Ruling by edict is bull****.

Absoulutely correct, this wasnt a fricken popular vote and 'for the greater good' this is one fricken arse whipe with a bundle of drug company dollars in his pocket selling out a group of people for some useless drug.

lazs2 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 04, 2007, 10:50:05 AM »

agree with thrawn... the public schools just want more intrusion an power over our lives.

lukster... I would indeed throw out the baby with the bath water if that is what it took... If you want to participate in society then show my your vacination... want a job? show me the vacination for small pox and such. The schools should not be involved. Military is different as is prison... both are institutions where you lose your rights the way they are set up.

Without a draft you could do away with any vacinations that were not voluntary also... Want to be in the service? get your shots. Just like the work place.

When did we all decide that public school was the only way to teach and raise our kids?

lazs

Sixpence · « **Reply #26 on:** February 04, 2007, 12:12:21 PM »

Comparing a sexually transmitted disease to smallpox and polio? I didn't know you could say no to smallpox. Would this be another one of those straw man arguments?

If we we are going to do that, then I guess we should outlaw smoking or make the patch mandatory by the age of 14 to make sure they don't smoke to prevent cancer. Maybe when the patch companies have more money than tobacco that will happen.

So I guess you would have no problem with the governor issuing an order for that too?

Look, the big issue here is that this wasn't something that was done the right way, it was done in the form of being a dictator. It's sad that some people have no problem with this.

rpm · « **Reply #27 on:** February 04, 2007, 12:39:38 PM »

That's what I love about this place. Sixpence and I are on VERY opposite sides of an issue in another thread, but we stand united on this issue.

Guys, it's very simple:

FOLLOW

THE

MONEY.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #28 on:** February 04, 2007, 12:41:30 PM »

I skipped half this thread.

I do not know what the big deal is. If a politician wants something to happen, you can damn well bet there is some type of monetary compensation involved.

No matter what politician you put in charge, they all have the same motivation. Wave a dollar in front of them and watch em dance around like a puppy after a fresh cut of meat. They will do anything you want for that dollar/cut of meat.

There is not a politcian anywhere who is not acting on his/her own behalf. If it happens to make people happy, that is just a side benefit.

rpm · « **Reply #29 on:** February 04, 2007, 12:52:06 PM »

Trust me, it's gonna happen.

I think vaccination is a very good thing, this is just the wrong way to go about it. As I understand it the shot cost $600. If you are requiring it for school admission then the state should buy the vaccine at a bulk price and sell them back to the public at the reduced cost. This is the same way they did vaccinations when I was a kid and we wiped out smallpox and polio.

The way this is set up, it only maximizes profit for the drug company.