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« on: February 04, 2007, 01:01:11 AM »
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-02-02-texas_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

Wow, take money from a company and issue an executive order for them. Isn't there a conflict of interest here? How the hell does he get away with that?


Texas governor orders anti-cancer vaccine for schoolgirls
 By Harry Cabluck, AP
 
 AUSTIN (AP) — Bypassing the Legislature, Republican Gov. Rick Perry signed an order Friday making Texas the first state to require that schoolgirls get vaccinated against the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer.
By issuing an executive order, Perry apparently sidesteps opposition in the Legislature from conservatives and parents' rights groups who fear such a requirement would condone premarital sex and interfere with the way parents raise their children.

Beginning in September 2008, girls entering the sixth grade — meaning, generally, girls ages 11 and 12 — will have to get Gardasil, Merck & Co.'s new vaccine against strains of the human papillomavirus, or HPV.

Perry, a conservative Christian who opposes abortion and stem-cell research using embryonic cells, counts on the religious right for his political base. But he has said the cervical cancer vaccine is no different from the one that protects children against polio.

"The HPV vaccine provides us with an incredible opportunity to effectively target and prevent cervical cancer," Perry said in announcing the order.

"If there are diseases in our society that are going to cost us large amounts of money, it just makes good economic sense, not to mention the health and well-being of these individuals to have those vaccines available," he said.

Merck is bankrolling efforts to pass state laws across the country mandating Gardasil for girls as young as 11 or 12. It doubled its lobbying budget in Texas and has funneled money through Women in Government, an advocacy group made up of female state legislators around the country.

Perry has several ties to Merck and Women in Government. One of the drug company's three lobbyists in Texas is Mike Toomey, Perry's former chief of staff. His current chief of staff's mother-in-law, Texas Republican state Rep. Dianne White Delisi, is a state director for Women in Government.

Perry also received $6,000 from Merck's political action committee during his re-election campaign.


Texas allows parents to opt out of inoculations by filing an affidavit objecting to the vaccine on religious or philosophical reasons. Even with such provisions, however, conservative groups say such requirements interfere with parents' rights to make medical decisions for their children.

The federal government approved Gardasil in June, and a government advisory panel has recommended that all girls get the shots at 11 and 12, before they are likely to be sexually active.

The New Jersey-based drug company could generate billions in sales if Gardasil — at $360 for the three-shot regimen — were made mandatory across the country. Most insurance companies now cover the vaccine, which has been shown to have no serious side effects.

Merck spokeswoman Janet Skidmore would not say how much the company is spending on lobbyists or how much it has donated to Women in Government. Susan Crosby, the group's president, also declined to specify how much the drug company gave.

A top official from Merck's vaccine division sits on Women in Government's business council, and many of the bills around the country have been introduced by members of Women in Government.
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2007, 01:23:34 AM »
Now you know why I hate Texas Republicans. Bush did the same thing with insurance companies. You should take a close look at their new redistricting. It's a joke.
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2007, 01:47:07 AM »
I hope the people of Texas take the needles and stick them right up his ass
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2007, 01:53:14 AM »
teh boosh had cervical cansars?  O NOES!!!!!1111:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :eek: eek

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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2007, 04:48:23 AM »
The problem with that issue is that it's a damned good preventative step, but the retard special interests and scaredy-cat politicians are going to argue it to death out of fear of being seen as pro or anti something or another.  Heck, both sixpence and rpm took the bait on the first cast, as intended by whoever wrote that article.

IMHO it's a good thing that the governor said to hell with the political risk and people who have nothing better to do than worry if a smart medical treatment might send one message or another, this is a good thing so let's get it done.

The fact that he got money from the medical industry is unfortunate, but if politicians were forbidden to make any policies that affected anyone who contributed to their campaigns, well then... what would the politicans be able to actually DO?  That is more of a campaign funding issue than a problem with this particular policy regarding the vaccination.

You also have to realize that he probably took even MORE campaign funding from people and groups who oppose this vaccine, so wouldn't that make a lack of action also a conflict of interest?  If he didn't put this policy in place, you can bet his political opponents would be shouting that some religious whackjobs paid him off to block a measure that would save lives.  You can count on this with 100% certainty, and you can count on the fact that the media would report it that way.  No matter what he does, it will be reported as a corrupt decision based on "payoffs from special interests!!!!111one"

If I had the power to do so, I'd make the same decision.  STFU about what it MIGHT do, because what it WILL do is prevent a pretty horrible type of cancer in a lot of people who will have either had sex, or gotten that virus regardless of what BS message the do-gooders and politicians give to people.  As a voluntary sort of thing, it would probably take a long time before the cost of the treatment came down to a reasonable level.  And let's face it, merck put a lot of resources into a product that really will improve people's lives and save money in government funded medical costs over the long run, so why not kick off the treatment's use with a govt program that will rapidly get the treatment to people and reduce long term costs at the same time?

To not fund this vaccination sends the message "we'd rather you get cervical cancer and die or suffer horribly than to have a microscopic but highly vocal percentage of the population think we're really saying that premarital sex is ok"  That kind of "message" used to get politicians shot or tarred/feathered, but it's the typical poltician response nowadays.
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2007, 05:13:36 AM »
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sidesteps opposition in the Legislature from conservatives and parents' rights groups who fear such a requirement would condone premarital sex and interfere with the way parents raise their children.


LOL these conservatives really blow your mind with their logic. Yeah, let's spread a DEADLY virus among our children just to make sure they don't enjoy their sex life normally. That is so wrong on so many levels.
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2007, 06:08:41 AM »
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-02-02-texas_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

Wow, take money from a company and issue an executive order for them. Isn't there a conflict of interest here? How the hell does he get away with that?


 


Now we know why iraqi's are fighting so hard to keep this 'democracy' out of thier country.

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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2007, 09:03:33 AM »
My wife and I had a conversation about this yesterday. She is sorta opposed to the vaccination being mandatory. I asked if she felt the same about smallpox, polio, rubella or whatever else may be required by law. Well, smallpox is no longer required but you get the idea. This vaccination is really no different than those others. If you're gonna get yer panties in a wad over this then you should be protesting the others as well.

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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2007, 09:11:17 AM »
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My wife and I had a conversation about this yesterday. She is sorta opposed to the vaccination being mandatory. I asked if she felt the same about smallpox, polio, rubella or whatever else may be required by law. Well, smallpox is no longer required but you get the idea. This vaccination is really no different than those others. If you're gonna get yer panties in a wad over this then you should be protesting the others as well.


But a Republican is pushing it, so it must be bad.

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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2007, 09:21:56 AM »
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My wife and I had a conversation about this yesterday. She is sorta opposed to the vaccination being mandatory. I asked if she felt the same about smallpox, polio, rubella or whatever else may be required by law. Well, smallpox is no longer required but you get the idea. This vaccination is really no different than those others. If you're gonna get yer panties in a wad over this then you should be protesting the others as well.


If the disease is a sexually transmitted disease it is very different.  How would you like to be forcfully vaccinated against genital herpes or warts if you have been married and faithful for the last 20 years.  Keep in mind, usually a vaccination consists of a variation of the disease itself and a small number of people actually contract the disease from the vaccination.  This vaccination is in its infancy and there is no way they could have done long term research on the side effects of this drug.  In fact, this wreaks as one of those govt. human guinea pig  deals.  I would move my family out of the state before I let them force my daughter to be injected with some experiment.

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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2007, 09:26:26 AM »
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If the disease is a sexually transmitted disease it is very different.  How would you like to be forcfully vaccinated against genital herpes or warts if you have been married and faithful for the last 20 years.  Keep in mind, usually a vaccination consists of a variation of the disease itself and a small number of people actually contract the disease from the vaccination.  This vaccination is in its infancy and there is no way they could have done long term research on the side effects of this drug.  In fact, this wreaks as one of those govt. human guinea pig  deals.  I would move my family out of the state before I let them force my daughter to be injected with some experiment.


You kinda changed the scenario. We're talking about vaccinating kids who have not yet entered into a monogamous relationship. I think it's a safe bet to assume that most of these will be eventually exposed to this virus. If there were a vaccine to prevent AIDS would you raise the same objection?

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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2007, 09:51:27 AM »
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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2007, 09:51:53 AM »
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I think it's a safe bet to assume that most of these will be eventually exposed to this virus. If there were a vaccine to prevent AIDS would you raise the same objection?


Really?  What percentage of  girls aquire cervical cancer?  Hold on, Im gonna do some Internet research.

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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2007, 09:58:50 AM »
I agree that it should not be mandatory and...  it would seem that it is not.  

I also agree that it is different than small pox or other vacinations that protect the whole of the people from a disease.    The methods of how they are spread it the crux of the thing..

Also.. does anyone feel bothered by even more public school intrusion in our lives and families?    

The school should have nothing to do with any medical procedures.   If there is a disease like small pox that can be spread they simply need to see proof of vacination before admission to school so as to not endanger the other students.

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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2007, 10:00:40 AM »
Cervical cancer tends to occur in midlife. Half of women diagnosed with this cancer are between the ages of 35 and 55. It rarely occurs in women younger than 20. Although cervical cancer does affect young women, many older women do not realize that the risk of developing cervical cancer is still present as they age. Slightly over 20% of women with cervical cancer are diagnosed when they are over 65. It is important for older women to continue having regular Pap tests at least until age 70, and possibly longer. See the section, "Can Cervical Cancer Be Prevented?" for more specific information on current American Cancer Society screening recommendations.

I hardly think that this supports your statement that most of those targeted for the vaccine will be exposed to the virus.  Take a look at the money and see if there is a connection between the drugmaker and the lawmaker.  If so, then its just politics as usual.