Spit 16

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Oleg
If you cannt outturn Spit16 in Seafire you have BIG problems

Not always true... They have nearly identical turning radii. People forget that the Seafire had its weight corrected and its turn radius suffered for it. Inasmuch as the Mk.XVI offers much better acceleration and power, it can match the Seafire is turning circles without much sweating. Since it can take the fight up hill with ease, the Seafire quickly finds itself in deep bandini.

Equal pilots; the Seafire will lose.

My regards,

Widewing

[Guppy35]

Hmmm,  just last night I got jumped by a Spit XVI while I was in my G.  We went round and round and he was trying to use the vertical as well.  He had more E and alt to begin with.  Somehow or another, if it's the miracle plane some claim it to be, my uber P38G was able to follow him up when he tried that, and was able to get inside his turn to the point I was able to reverse spots with him and killed him.

He must have had a faulty Spit 16?

Was a fun fight though.

[MiloMorai]

It is also with radiator shutters closed. Open shutters will reduce the roc. Look at the other JL165 report.

Also if you look at the graph, the rate is good to ~500ft.

[Oleg]

Originally posted by Widewing
Equal pilots; the Seafire will lose.

Hmm... How worse Seafire turns in comparison with Spit5?

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Oleg
Hmm... How worse Seafire turns in comparison with Spit5?

Minimum turn radius from my own testing:

Spit Mk.V: 388 feet

Seafire Mk.II: 445 feet

Spit Mk.XVI: 449 feet

Spit Mk.VIII: 442 feet

Spit Mk.IX: 434 feet

My regards,

Widewing

[Knegel]

Originally posted by Major Biggles
sounds like you were killed by a better opponent loony


as for the spit16 having easy stall behaviour, that's not true, it's very twitchy. it's purely because of the powerful engine and climbrate that it can hang on the prop like it does, which gives the appearance of easy stall handling.

infact, the spit16 is undermodelled, or atleast, it uses a lower power setting than normal. our spit gets 18 pounds of boost at wep, when at the height of it's service it could attain 21 normally, or be pushed to 25 pounds. thank your lucky stars we don't have a 25 lb spit16, the thing climbed at near 6000ft/min and was far faster than our model

The stallbehaviour of the Spit16 is very twitchy???

You talk about the real 16,  not the AH one, right??

The 16 in AH behave like a 8 or 9 while a stall, a very nice early stall warning, with the "half stalled" flight, which is supposed to be typical for the full wing Spit, but i doubt it will be the same for the cw Spit.

For me it feels like the 16 got all advantages of the clipped wing, but not the disadvantages.

Greetings,

Knegel

[Knegel]

Originally posted by Guppy35
Hmmm,  just last night I got jumped by a Spit XVI while I was in my G.  We went round and round and he was trying to use the vertical as well.  He had more E and alt to begin with.  Somehow or another, if it's the miracle plane some claim it to be, my uber P38G was able to follow him up when he tried that, and was able to get inside his turn to the point I was able to reverse spots with him and killed him.

He must have had a faulty Spit 16?

Was a fun fight though.

Try the same without the "magical flaps".

But maybe he was out of wep and had much fuel, while you had wep and smal fuel.  Fuel and wep change a lot.

[Bronk]

Always good to keep at least 1 or 2 luftwhiners around.

Bronk

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Knegel
Try the same without the "magical flaps".

But maybe he was out of wep and had much fuel, while you had wep and smal fuel.  Fuel and wep change a lot.

No wep in a 38G  Not sure what the magical flaps are.

My point is, that I don't see the 16 as uber.    If it's being flown by a really good stick, they can make it do things I can't.  But the average AH pilot in a 16 doesn't make it do magical things.

I think that applies to any number of birds in here.  There are guys who can do things in P47s I can't even imagine trying.  

I just think that folks are too quick to blame the FM when they get in a situation they normally control and can't.

As for the flight characteristics of the 16.  I find the stall is sharper then the IX or VIII because of the clipped wings.  It tends to drop a wing much quicker with less 'warning'.

I still prefer the VIII to the 16 for that reason among others.  I also believe that the VIII will out turn the 16 because of the regular span wings, and in combats with 16s have not seen differently unless the other guy has turned out to be one of those guys who can do things in a Spit that I can't

[Noir]

the 16 will loose against long winged spits in a stall fight, the hard part is to get em to their limit. I recommend using a spit 9

[Debonair]

Spit's wing has washout, unique amongst WWII fighters i think.
Supermarine test pilot Jeffrey Quill wrote that F.16 Spits were the most manuverable of them all...

[BaldEagl]

If all the other Spits are so good why can I beat them consistantly with a XVI?  I've had VIII's, IX's and Seafires for lunch in many differing scenarios and many hard fought, fun fights.  Have I been beaten by them?  Yes, of course, but the ratio is by far in the XVI's favor.  

The only Mark that will give the XVI a true contest in my opinion is the V because they share so little among the family.  The V against the XVI becomes a true test of horsepower vs. turning ability, slash and burn against turn and burn.  Against all the others simple throttle control and e management give the XVI an advantage.

And BTW, the stall handling of the XVI, while I agree is somewhat twitchy, is fine once you learn to finess it.  It will hang in a slo-mo pursuit stall as well as any other plane and come back to life more quickly than most if needed.

All of tht said, the K/D stats on the XVI overall are abysmal (1.3 one camp that I checked) so they must not be THAT easy to  fly or else every noob in the game grabs a XVI and dies and a few pilots that fly "dweeb rides" keep the scores up.

Personally, I prefer the V.  I think it's superior to every other Mark and it fits my style like a glove.

[Oleg]

I outturn A6M2 in P-40E one or two times, does it means p-40 turns better?

Personally, i count Spit16 as easy kill when i am in corsair-d.

Add:
Just to make it clear, i prefer spit16 over any other spits, it very dangerous plane in right hands and good for newbs (if they dont only HO&run of course). But it neither uber nor overmodelled.

[Patches1]

Spit xvi even easier to kill while flying an F4U-1 Corsair.

No magical flaps, just good SA gets the kill on a 16.

Just my opinion.

[Blagard]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
If all the other Spits are so good why can I beat them consistantly with a XVI?

Have you considered that you might just fly that version better ?