Author Topic: WheelGun or Semi-Auto? (Read 1513 times)

Maverick · « **Reply #30 on:** February 10, 2007, 12:08:34 PM »

My answer to this "controversy" remains the same. Use what you can hit reliably with that you can also conceal if that is your plan.

For me I have 2 that I use and did use for that purpose.

A S&W 66 with round butt and 2.75" barrel. Medium frame revolver, decent caliber (.357 or .38 with good loads) and most importantly very accurate for me.

Second option and one I use most often is a Glock model 19 that I used both on and off duty for several years.

Frankly the S&W conceals better especially under a T shirt. I am comfortable with either one.

The one most over riding consideration is still accuracy. If you can't hit with what you are shooting you are not only wasting your time but endangering others. You can't miss fast enough or often enough to beat some one who can hit with what they are shooting and that goes for any caliber. A hit with a .22 is better than a miss with a .50 cal anything.

lazs2 · « **Reply #31 on:** February 11, 2007, 10:17:18 AM »

mav.. accuracy is very important but I would modify that if I may..

accuracy is hitting what you shoot at.. if you can hit a stationary target at 100 yards but miss one at 10 yards that is running... shoot at the 100 yard one but not the running one. If is far enough away that I can't hit it then it is probly no threat to me in any case.

cops today and... a lot of civilians feel that the most important thing is ammo capacity... 10-30 round mags... empty em as fast as you can. great in a war zone but.. I dunno... I want to think about every round I squeeze off.

I tried the little 340 pd at the range and, like all J frame smiths... if you do your part it will put rounds on paper every time at 25 yards... you don't need any more "accuracy" than that.

you do need to know your capabilities tho. I can't imagine a situation that I would need more than 5 shots... I might want more but I don't think I would need em.

When the carrying is happening.. the 340 is the best gun in the world... when the shooting starts... I might wish I had your 66 instead but... not to the point of despair. The 340 will do the same things as the 66.

one thing for sure.. if it was too hot or to hard to conceal the 66 so it got left home... the 340 is infinitely better.

Would rather have my PPK in 32 with me than a full size glock at home.

lazs

Maverick · « **Reply #32 on:** February 11, 2007, 10:37:06 AM »

Laz,

Please tell me where I said anything different about accuracy than you did. Please re read the last paragraph of my post. Nowhere in my post was I discussing long range or target grade shooting.

lazs2 · « **Reply #33 on:** February 12, 2007, 08:54:11 AM »

mav... you did not. I agree with everything you said. I was "expanding" on it as I see it.

I think that some people have a different take on "accuracy" and that it is worthwhile to clarify. I was and am, sure that we feel the same on the subject.

I also would say that a cap and ball revolver in the hands of a man who knows how to use it is plenty good enough against a 15 round supergun in the hands of someone who does not.

lazs

red26 · « **Reply #34 on:** February 12, 2007, 12:34:44 PM »

I carry a S&W 40 sigma VE nice wepon It's a auto too, The weel is great just be shure you practice your reloading even with a speed loader it can be a task. I also carry a BlackHawk Carbon Fiber SERPA Holster holster It can be a paddle or it also has the belt rings. And you can get it for a weel gun too. This one is for the auto here.

This is the one for the weel gun here.

This hloster is great for any kind of carry on duty or consealed carry.

RED:aok

Yknurd · « **Reply #35 on:** February 12, 2007, 12:36:26 PM »

I carry Chuck Norris around.

I don't need a gun.

Maverick · « **Reply #36 on:** February 12, 2007, 03:04:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Yknurd
I carry Chuck Norris around.

I don't need a gun.

Yep no one wants to touch Chuck Norris's Beeyotch alright

FX1 · « **Reply #37 on:** February 12, 2007, 03:44:15 PM »

Glock 19 our 26 great carry guns. I dont carry in public because i dont see the need today in the areas that i travel. Both glocks are light, no thrills and work every time you pull the trigger. Pick up a used one for $400 and call it a day. Plus mags and other components are cheap..

Xd sub compact are great from what i have heard.

Hawco · « **Reply #38 on:** February 12, 2007, 03:54:07 PM »

I always carry a Blackberry in it's special holster, saved me a few times, especially in some tight spots in some bars/clubs when the beer goggles have been worn for a few hours.

Helrazr1 · « **Reply #39 on:** February 12, 2007, 05:19:08 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I can't imagine a situation that I would need more than 5 shots... I might want more but I don't think I would need em.

lazs

I tend to disagree with this statement. I, like most people, have never been in a gunfight. From what I have read though, almost anyone who ever has, says the same thing: During the course of the fight, they had no concept of how many rounds they actually fired. most thought 2 or 3 rounds, when in reality, it was more like 10. This is most likely due to the high levels of adrenaline, and a degree of panic. Police officers train extensively for this type of situation, but just look at some of the video's that they show on tv. they'll fire 10 rounds, and reload, sometimes not hitting anything.

The bottom line is, accuracy on a range, and accuracy in an actual gunfight are totally different animals.

BTW, if there are any LEO's on here with experience to share on the subject, I'd love to hear it.

moneyguy · « **Reply #40 on:** February 12, 2007, 05:49:51 PM »

<== Sig 229 .357cal for work, Sig 239 9mm for carry, Kel-Tec .380 for a pocket gun, Glock 22 .40cal just because i wanted it.

Xargos · « **Reply #41 on:** February 12, 2007, 06:29:51 PM »

I am a retired C/O from S.C. and like all other law enforcement divisions we have to requalify every year. One thing that is not well known is you should train yourself to use both hands on your weapon because many people shoot through their free hand in the heat of battle. I grew up with firearms and it's amazing how much of the little things I did not know until I was trained properly. My first instructor told my class that he would rather train someone who never fired a weapon before then try to retrain someone who had.

P.S. How many of you reload your own ammo? I find it very relaxing to do.

moneyguy · « **Reply #42 on:** February 12, 2007, 07:22:41 PM »

i dont reload yet, i want to get into it sometime though.

Xargos · « **Reply #43 on:** February 12, 2007, 07:26:31 PM »

Make sure the room you reload in is not carpeted, if you try to vacuum up any spills you may just blow your machine up.

P.S. If you use an older reload manual make sure you don't go over their max load recommendations. Newer manuals do not show a real max load because they worry about being sued. Just because the gun does not blow up using max loads the first time you shoot them does not mean your gun is not being damaged.

P.P.S. I hope you noted my experience with hang-fires a few posts up, never assume its a miss-fire.

P.P.P.S. I can't cast my own bullets anymore because the level of lead in my body is too high now.

wrag · « **Reply #44 on:** February 13, 2007, 05:15:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Helrazr1
I tend to disagree with this statement. I, like most people, have never been in a gunfight. From what I have read though, almost anyone who ever has, says the same thing: During the course of the fight, they had no concept of how many rounds they actually fired. most thought 2 or 3 rounds, when in reality, it was more like 10. This is most likely due to the high levels of adrenaline, and a degree of panic. Police officers train extensively for this type of situation, but just look at some of the video's that they show on tv. they'll fire 10 rounds, and reload, sometimes not hitting anything.

The bottom line is, accuracy on a range, and accuracy in an actual gunfight are totally different animals.

BTW, if there are any LEO's on here with experience to share on the subject, I'd love to hear it.

Used to go through 100 rounds in NO TIME flat! M60 machinegun uses up ammo FAST!

When the body chemicals get to pumpin time itself SEEMS to change!

Color get more intense, smells become different, stronger? Your sense of touch becomes, .... the grip of a gun can feel like your holding a waffle iron!

Not uncommon for tunnel vision to set it, OR it can SEEM like you see everything all at once.