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« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2007, 05:40:18 PM »
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« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2007, 06:14:59 PM »
That's great! The Dems are arming themselves to fight off the Repubs and the Repubs are arming themselves to fight off the Dems. :rolleyes:

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« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2007, 11:00:31 AM »
smash... there are many reasons to be armed..  I don't say you are right or wrong...

But to say you are a democrat for guns is like saying that you are a peta member that has a cattle ranch.   You are a hypocrite unless... Unless you are willing to break the law as your party bans your right to go armed.  

Unconstitutional gun laws are the meat of your party... when you vote for democrats you are voting to disarm yourself and your fellow citizens.   You can wiggle all you want but that it the long and the short of it.

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« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2007, 11:53:17 AM »
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The Republicans such as yourself sound more and more like the Taliban every day.  pointy white hat out of the closet and march over to burn my house.
 


wow, the republicans have gone from being neocon nazis to the taliban.

cute referance to the "pointy white hat".

lets see if we can summerize, repubs are rightwinggunnutneoconKKKtalib an.

have i left out anything?

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« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2007, 09:09:42 PM »
Now why can't the Iraqi factions have civilized discussions like this?  :huh
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« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2007, 09:52:05 PM »
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This has happened before, and retailers are jumping for joy at the surge of panic purchases just like they did last time.


You changed your avatar. Used to be the one the ATC folks wear.  Did you deploy last year with those folks out of there where you're at now?
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« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2007, 11:11:04 PM »
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You changed your avatar. Used to be the one the ATC folks wear.  Did you deploy last year with those folks out of there where you're at now?


We reflagged under the Division. Our unit has always stationed at Campbell and worked for the 101st, but actually belonged to Bragg. We're officially flagged under the 101 now, though. It's  good thing because working for one post while assigned to another was weird and caused a lot of admin problems.

Yes, we deployed in 03 and again in 05. Got back last September.

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« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2007, 11:13:08 PM »
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Yes, we deployed in 03 and again in 05. Got back last September.


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« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2007, 11:34:58 PM »
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smash... there are many reasons to be armed..  I don't say you are right or wrong...

But to say you are a democrat for guns is like saying that you are a peta member that has a cattle ranch.   You are a hypocrite unless... Unless you are willing to break the law as your party bans your right to go armed.  

Unconstitutional gun laws are the meat of your party... when you vote for democrats you are voting to disarm yourself and your fellow citizens.   You can wiggle all you want but that it the long and the short of it.

lazs


Why does one have to choose sides and be labeled anything?  I absolutely love how the panic sets in the second some one  throws out the dreaded 'gun control' topic.

I hang out on the AR-15.com boards as I've owned ARs for the last 25 years, through the so called "ban" etc.  Nothing ever stopped me from owning any gun I wanted.  

The guys on the AR board are all pissing themselves silly waiting for the first signs of the black helicoptors, the UN and the evil Dems to come take their guns.  There are some of them that actually scare me as between the lines you can just see them salivating at the notion of 'pry my gun from my cold dead hands."  They can't wait to go 'tactical" on the Robot cops and military men who will sell out etc.

It embarrasses me to see them talk so stupidly.  

If the Dems are stupid enough to make gun control the big issue, then they're just as clueless as GWB and company have shown themselves to be.  They'll be voted out so fast their heads will spin.  

But it's a beautiful 'flashpoint' issue to raise cause it gets so many people's undies in a bunch.

And let's face it, if I'm a gun manufacturer like Bushmaster, Armalite, DPMS and the like, I'm thrilled because the panic stocking up on guns will go into effect and sales will jump.  The AR board guys are all trying to decide how many AR-15s are enough to have in case a ban returns.  They can't decide if it's more guns or more mags and ammo....

And if by some reason which I can't fathom another phony 'ban' goes into effect, it will drive the prices up of the 'pre-ban" guns again and folks can make a ton of money off their investments like they did last time.

But hey, anytime you are in Minnesota and you want to come shoot my pre-ban AR-15 and 'ban" AR-15 so you can see the difference, let me know.  I can't find any other then I can't put a bayonet on my 'ban' AR.  Why I need a bayonet I have no idea :)
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« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2007, 07:28:50 AM »
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I can't find any other then I can't put a bayonet on my 'ban' AR.  Why I need a bayonet I have no idea :)


You DON'T need a bayonet, that's the point. The Democrats decided you'd poke your eye out with a bayonet so they banned the attachment.

A careful, well thought out move that has doubtlessly saved millions of eyes.
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« Reply #40 on: February 19, 2007, 08:13:12 AM »
The demodorks are worried about drive-by bayonetting!

I think the sight of a bayonet scares the woman inside all of them.  :rofl
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« Reply #41 on: February 19, 2007, 08:44:46 AM »
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False. Crime has fallen since the last major change in firearms laws in 1997.
Really? That's a pretty broad and irrelevant statement considering "crime" includes everything from shoplifting to larceny.  Does shoplifting have anything to do with gun control or are we talking just violent crime?
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[Between 1997 and 2003] crimes with [banned firearms] have more than doubled.... In 2002, for the fourth consecutive year, gun crime in England and Wales rose — by 35 percent for all firearms, and by a whopping 46 percent for the banned handguns. Nearly 10,000 firearms offenses were committed....

Clearly since the ban criminals have not found it difficult to get guns and the balance has not shifted in the interest of public safety....

In the four years from 1997 to 2001 the rate of violent crime more than doubled. The UK murder rate for 2002 was the highest for a century....

A recent study of all the countries of western Europe has found that in 2001 Britain had the worst record for killings, violence and burglary, and its citizens had one of the highest risks in the industrialized world of becoming victims of crime....
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« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2007, 08:45:41 AM »
i like the film clip of Boxer trying to put the mag in backwards and saying " you don't have to aim this gun , you just spray and shoot".

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« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2007, 10:00:54 AM »
guppy..  maybe you forgot the assault weapons ban?  the high capacity mag ban?   How bout the .50 caliber ban in kalifornia... as goes kalifornia... so goes the rest of the democrat run states..

Maybe you don't care about either but do you really think the democrats will stop there?

Every bad, unconstitutional gun law ever passed was put forth and passed by democrats.   They introduce hundreds of new gun laws a year.   How is it paranoid to think that they will continue to do so?

They are the enemy.   I can not comprimise with them in any way that I can see.  They have nothing I want.

Oh.. whoever talked about the KKK... they realize that was formed and run by democrats right?   At the hight of racial inequality in the south.. the democrats were running things there and fought every measure to bring equal rights to all citizens.

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« Reply #44 on: February 19, 2007, 12:19:18 PM »
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guppy..  maybe you forgot the assault weapons ban?  the high capacity mag ban?   How bout the .50 caliber ban in kalifornia... as goes kalifornia... so goes the rest of the democrat run states..

Maybe you don't care about either but do you really think the democrats will stop there?

Every bad, unconstitutional gun law ever passed was put forth and passed by democrats.   They introduce hundreds of new gun laws a year.   How is it paranoid to think that they will continue to do so?

They are the enemy.   I can not comprimise with them in any way that I can see.  They have nothing I want.

Oh.. whoever talked about the KKK... they realize that was formed and run by democrats right?   At the hight of racial inequality in the south.. the democrats were running things there and fought every measure to bring equal rights to all citizens.

lazs


Laz, it's the idea that  one label covers all people.  You point it out beautifully with the KKK comparison.  Southern Democrats were far more to the right then most Republicans.  Dixicrats I think was the term.  That hardly applies to Minnesota Democrats where I live.

My Dad voted Republican in Minnesota all his life because they best fit his beliefs.  he'd vote Democrat in Minnesota now because the Republicans have moved too far right for him while the Dems have come much more centrest (not sure I spelled that right)

The introduction of a bill that could become law is just that.  It doesn't mean it's going to pass.  Certain folks make their name on certain issues.  It's like the representative that introduces the Draft bill every chance he gets.   That's his signature.  The AR15 board folks all panicked about the first bill introduced this term.  One guy finally piped up and said, that representative introduces a gun control bill every year.

As for the high cap magazine part of the last ban.  It had absolutely no teeth as there were so many high cap mags out there, that all it did was make more money for the folks who sold them.

My son was old enough to get into the hobby during the ban.  He became a real AK expert.  I learned a ton about all the different variants from him.  It's amazing how many 30 round mags are in this house from that time.

His Polish underfolder AK47 is a good example of the 'teeth' the last AWB had.  When he had it built, the guy who built it, pinned the folding stock so it wouldn't fold.  He soldered a bead of metal on the bayonet lug so it wasn't usable.  Other then that, it was a beautifully built semi-auto AK.

The day the ban died, the pin came out and the bead of metal came off.

That particular ban was nothing but window dressing that those who voted for could point to and claim they'd accomplished something.  It was laughable if you paid any attention to it at all.

All it did was raise prices on "pre-ban" rifles, making a ton of money  for those guys because there were folks who were outraged they couldn't have a bayonet lug or a flash suppressor.  And you could get all the hi-cap mags you wanted, they just cost a few bucks more.
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