Author Topic: Pre-Election Democrat Gun Worries? (Read 1691 times)

68Hawk · « **Reply #60 on:** February 20, 2007, 03:35:31 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I think selfish is the key democrat trait and some of you guys can't decide if you want rights or want to be selfish.

While I somewhat agree with this statement, I must point out in all fairness that this statement fits equally well to the Republican party. It might be on different issues, but there are plenty of places that the Republican party is screwing us over and taking our rights.

It's not like the Republicans are the defenders of liberty, or that the Democrats are a bastion of 'progressive values'. Believing these things will lead you into their slavery, as they intend.

Just because someone is pro gun and agrees with the rest of the democratic party on other issues doesn't make them a bad person. I think they should realize the full ramifications of their support for that party, but it is their choice. Personally I think people who so strongly support the republicans should also realize that their party is behaving extremely despotically. (patriot act, renditions, guitmo, Jose Padilla, numerous cases of outright lying to the American people, ignoring blaring problems of inequity while demanding more rights for the extensively wealthy, increasing the police state, incarceration and the drug war)

Point is, politics are messy, and we aint none of us smelling like flowers. Republicans are bastards and Democrats are whiners.

If we could ALL take pelosi, bush, condi, both clintons, and everyone else who is trying to sell us short and tell them to get off the ship, well there'd be a hell of a lot more shrimp cocktail for everyone else who isn't trying to muscle their way onto the bridge without their boating liscence. I'd tell these people to go to hell, but I don't want them to screw it up before I get there (you know bush and clinton would clean out the bar).

Edbert · « **Reply #61 on:** February 20, 2007, 03:40:02 PM »

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Originally posted by 68Hawk

--snippage---

You sir have a way with words...

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #62 on:** February 20, 2007, 03:47:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Edbert
You sir have a way with words...

~~Yes he does. It took him 5 paragraphs to say absolutely nothing, yet half the people here will think that he said something amazing.~~

Airscrew · « **Reply #63 on:** February 20, 2007, 04:13:27 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Yes he does. It took him 5 paragraphs to say absolutely nothing, yet half the people here will think that he said something amazing.

yea, we should use your example and only use one sentence to say absolutely nothing.

I cant help myself its in my genetic makup to be a smartass

lazs2 · « **Reply #64 on:** February 21, 2007, 09:06:58 AM »

68... I agree with you.. the republicans are no prize.

But.. to vote for democrats is to cut off your nose to spite your face. If you own a firearm and believe the second is an individual right then...

You would have to believe that it is perhaps one of our most important ones. Democrats are attacking it in a very large way... without it we have no constitution.

I believe that republicans are simply the lesser of two evils but that there is a huge gap in degree of evil. I believe that no right is being attacked so viciously as the right to keep and bear arms.

The democrats haven't even figured out their new seating order and they are already intruducing a flurry of anti firearms rights bills to pay off their rabid anti gun rights supporters.

lazs

CHECKERS · « **Reply #65 on:** February 21, 2007, 09:26:57 AM »

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Originally posted by Hap
Gee Hawk, thanks for taking an interest in my welfare.

All the Best,

hap

p.s. I am surprised, despite my sarcasam, that some didn't respond with "that's a great idea! Law abiding citizens (no criminal record) being issued plenty of guns and plenty of ammo.

Seriously, which of you gun toting red blooded patriotic Americans has a problem with that?

Not Me, I have no problem with that, and neither does the NRA ...

CHECKERS

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #66 on:** February 21, 2007, 10:41:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Airscrew
yea, we should use your example and only use one sentence to say absolutely nothing.
I cant help myself its in my genetic makup to be a smartass

Don't do in 5 what you can do in one.

68Hawk · « **Reply #67 on:** February 21, 2007, 01:19:20 PM »

Gosh laser, sorry to burn your eyes out with all that reading. You seem to feel like some party actually respects you and wants to represent your political opinion. Sorry to say that you're very wrong.

Both parties want your subservience. Simple as that. They are both equally evil in my book, and yeah thats just my opinion, but theres a lot of record from each party to back that up.

Many Republicans are leaning on the side of religious fundamentalism (very dangerous), and the party has for a long time been anchored in racism, sexism and a mentality that says American can do whatever it wants in the world because it says so.

Many Democrats are in the business of selling out our own personal security, and are spreading their own mentality that contradicts personal responsibility and agency. They want to take your guns, increase government with seemingly no regard for final size or efficacy, and sink the American people into a state of, well, state dependence.

The more we favor one demon over the other, the more we miss solutions that could potentially have helped us all.
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There's another five paragraphs for you. Really its two, but I broke it up so some of the less literate among us can follow it easily. laser, if you don't like it, don't waste your time, but if I want to write 5 full paragraphs you'll see a lot more than a couple sentences strung together at a time.

I welcome all constructive responses.

lazs2 · « **Reply #68 on:** February 21, 2007, 02:14:07 PM »

68... I think that without the second amendment we are lost. the democrats want to dismantle it... simple as that.

As for the republicans being racist and sexist... I see that as more of a democrat thing... every racist I can think of is democrat... like "hate crimes" and "affirmative action" and other race and sex based policies and laws.

The democrats are constantly passing bills and laws that discriminate based on race or sex.

lazs

john9001 · « **Reply #69 on:** February 21, 2007, 02:14:20 PM »

brevity is a virtue.

Edbert · « **Reply #70 on:** February 21, 2007, 03:07:25 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
68... I think that without the second amendment we are lost. the democrats want to dismantle it... simple as that.

As for the republicans being racist and sexist... I see that as more of a democrat thing... every racist I can think of is democrat... like "hate crimes" and "affirmative action" and other race and sex based policies and laws.

The democrats are constantly passing bills and laws that discriminate based on race or sex.

I'm with you on the racist/sexist part of this but not accross the board.

Republicans talk of lowering governmetal intrusion and spending but they've come up with reams of new proposals/rules/regulations and increased spending more than Bill Clinton did in his wettests dreams, and the R's are far more fascist when it comes to matters of personal freedom (except for firearms) and the bedroom than the democrats.

You've got to admit that both of our parties are run by extremeists that only want to tell you what to do and how to think all while they line their pockets and pad their offshore bank accounts. I've long wished that the Republicans would just be honest and rename their party to be the Nazi party, then the Democrats can also be honest and call themselves the Communist party and leave those of us who are Libertarian at heart the fsck alone!

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Originally posted by john9001
brevity is a virtue.

The quote you're looking for is "Brevity is the soul of wit".

Gh0stFT · « **Reply #71 on:** February 21, 2007, 03:16:04 PM »

question for you guys, do you leave your house (only) armed with a weapon?
or just entering shopping mall's armed? ;)

john9001 · « **Reply #72 on:** February 21, 2007, 03:48:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Edbert

The quote you're looking for is "Brevity is the soul of wit".

i was not quoting someone else, that is my quote.

Maverick · « **Reply #73 on:** February 21, 2007, 04:18:11 PM »

For the brevity to have soul, it should have had wit first.

lazs2 · « **Reply #74 on:** February 22, 2007, 09:12:34 AM »

ed... Of course I agree that both parties want more and more control of me... I just think that the democrats are the far more dangerous of the two AT THIS TIME.

I think that it is prudent to have conservative supreme court judges on that will protect my second amendment rights when one party or the other pushes everyone over the edge.

I don't see a real revolution as laser does but I do see some hard times with roving bands of criminals and riots. I would prefer to be armed and not in prison when this happens.

I would prefer that my arms were legal and that I could continue to enjoy and practice with them and that my fellow citizens were enjoying their rights too.

It would make it far more pleasant when the rioting and crime started.

lazs