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[Toad]

Originally posted by Nashwan
Racial profiling might stop terrorists getting on airliners,

Which might stop thousands of people from getting killed; one example stands out.

but it also stops a much larger number of innocent people getting on aircraft.

Not necessarily; it can just single them out for a more focused security screening.

How many of those denied basic rights by their colour/religion will go on to become terrorists?

Is being singled out and delayed a bit longer before being allowed to board enough of a denial of rights to justify suicide bombing or such?


As somebody here once pointed out, it's not the white-haired Norwegian Buddhist grandmothers that are strapping on the dynamite belts is it?

[Nashwan]

Certainly some racial profiling of who to target investigations at seems worthwhile.

There are two major problems with racial profiling, though. The first is that it causes resentment amongst the targeted group, the vast majority of whom are likely to be innocent. And if you've got a group from whom radicals draw terrorists, pissing off those in the group who do not (yet) support terrorism doesn't seem like a good idea.

The second is that if you are focusing on those who fit the profile, you tend to ignore those who do not fit the profile.

The classic example is the Lod airport massacre in Israel. Security were looking for Arabs, so the Japanese musicians getting off a plane from Paris didn't attract much attention. Until they opened the violin cases and took out guns and grenades... 26 people died.

Profiling also has added difficulties in the US. Muslims can come from quite a few races, and the number of white converts is growing. Who are you going to profile? The most obviously Muslim are less likely to be used by terrorist groups in the future, simply because they are most likely to attract attention.

[Maverick]

So no one has any real info based on the idiots actual motivation yet we have over 120 posts about it??

[Viking]

Originally posted by Bronk
Please Gblowz point out what I'm dodging.

You on the other hand Spin more than a Jet engine on take off.

You post how McVeigh wasn't charged as a terrorist.

We finally find out why he wasn't. No punitive law for being one.
 Even through  your smokescreen law post.
But guess what even though there was no "Terrorism" punishment law he was still put to death. Hows that for "being new to the biusness".


As far as "ad  hominem" goes keep insulting my country .
Rather than insult your's I'll just insult you.

Because there is no way in hell everyone over there  can be as ignorant or have such a pompous attitude as you.

Hows that for ad hominem.

Have a nice day Tard.


Bronk

How cute! I must have struck a nerve!

Have a nice day Your Highness.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Maverick
So no one has any real info based on the idiots actual motivation yet we have over 120 posts about it??

The LGF guys will find out whatever there is to find out about a thing that involves possible Muslim terrorists.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

      

Hot LGF News:
American Jihadis' Web Network Deseret News Attacks LGF For Publishing Facts
Thursday, February 15, 2007
Salt Lake City Killer's Records Released

Local Salt Lake City blogger Jonathan notified us that some of Sulejman Talovic’s juvenile records have been leaked. Excerpts:

    At age 12, Talovic was before a judge for allegedly holding a knife over the head of girl while stating, “I’ll kill you,” according to a source who is familiar with the case.

    Two years earlier, Talovic was referred to juvenile court for throwing rocks at a little girl.

    About the same time, he threatened his parents’ landlord with a knife. ...

    The first girl was not struck by the stones. And the mother of the second girl snatched her up in the nick of time, just as Talovic took a swipe with the blade, according to the source, who has seen court documents relating to the case. ...

    Talovic was also referred to court for stealing fireworks from a Smith’s grocery store on June 22, 2001.

    On July 9, 2001, Talovic admitted the shoplifting crime, and it was the last time he appeared in juvenile court, according to the source, quoting court records.

UPDATE at 2/15/07 6:00:14 pm:

There appears to be a controversy over whether the video of the rampage contains evidence that Talovic shouted “Allahu akbar!” during his killing spree. My email to Allahpundit on this:

    No way. I made my living by listening closely to recorded sounds and music for many years, and I’d bet big money that the ‘allahu akbar’ chant is not on that tape. There’s a very characteristic sing-song quality to the chant, that you can hear even in last-minute suicide bomber tapes, and I do not hear that at all in the SLC video.

    Not there. Nope.

The case is still open as to whether Islamism was a factor, but if there’s evidence to be found, it isn’t in this video recording.

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[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Tarmac
Here's a video from inside the place stolen from AGW.  It has some distant garbled audio... it would be interesting to hear it cleaned up or interpreted by the people who were actually there to give some insight into this scumbag's motives.  

video

There are a couple other related videos on the site, too.

The only sounds I can make out are the shouts from the police and the music piped through the mall's loudspeakers.  You can clearly hear the off-duty police officer shout "Ogden PD!" a few times at one point and then telling some other officers to come to the 2nd level.  You can't hear anything, at least nothing identifiable from the gunman and nothing like "allah akbar!" as some have reported hearing.

This kid was just a nut case, sadly probably suffering from lasting psychological effects of growing up in a war zone.

ack-ack

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Debonair
im kind of PO'd that no1 has come up with a better term than that by now...we're supposed to be so ingenuitive & whatnot....

"Antimerican"  Said somewhat fast.  

Rumor round the campfire is that "Viking" would be "GSholz".

[Toad]

Originally posted by Nashwan
Profiling also has added difficulties in the US. Muslims can come from quite a few races,  

It would seem to me that we could certainly narrow down the list of possibles with some judicious profiling at the airports. It doesn't only have to be race; there are other factors.

As was pointed out, how many grandmothers > age 70 have been involved in terrorist acts so far? Grandfathers?

White mothers with child?

I used to hang around airports quite a bit; I saw a very larger number of the elderly get the full security screening. I think that time could have been better spent.

I know some of the "profiling" that is allowed right now. It's not race related but it too wastes of time when used alone, IMO. Coupled with some racial profiling, it would utilize resources far more efficiently.

For example, if you're checking for "factor X" which is a common trait of those you might want to catch, you can cross reference factor x with age.

I think it's highly unlikely that factor X coupled with a 70 year old white female would indicate a potential problem while factor X coupled with an arabic male should be of much more interest.

However, that's not the way it's done. The factors stand alone.

I will leave factor x to your imaginations.

[RedTop]

Originally posted by Nashwan
It's certainly effective in stopping terrorism on aircraft. On the other hand, would you say Israel has been effective in stopping terrorism? I'd say most definitely no. In a country of about 6 million, they've lost something over 1,000 citizens in the last few years, and killed about 5,500 people fighting terrorism. Yet they never seem on the verge of winning a battle they've been fighting for 60 years.

I'd say those are statistics of failure, not success.

Racial profiling might stop terrorists getting on airliners, but it also stops a much larger number of innocent people getting on aircraft. How many of those denied basic rights by their colour/religion will go on to become terrorists?

I'd say you can't buy yourself peace and security by removing the rights of whole segments of society. You'll create the very thing you seek to prevent.

Looking for a needle in a stack of needles is probably pretty tough.

If White people were committing acts of terrorism all over the world and had made it clear that they were going to continue , then I would say , that a LARGE white population living in a middle eastern country could be put under the same"Scrutiny".  (sp)

Ooooops....that wasnt poltically correct.  Sorry.

So when radical middle eastern terrorists living in the middle east are blowing people up that look pretty much the same in regards to skin tone , general appearance , then it's kind of hard to tell the terrorist without a program.



Just my opinion tho.

[john9001]

""I know some of the "profiling" that is allowed right now. It's not race related ""

not true, i saw racial profiling, boarding a dash 80 in Miami there was a hispanic gate agent and a hispanic security guard, they pulled three Anglos out of line for special screening, a teen age girl, a grey haired elderly man and a very old man.  they loaded men in their mid twenties without a second look.

this was for a little dash 80 prop plane.

your govt at work protecting you.

[storch]

Originally posted by Maverick
So no one has any real info based on the idiots actual motivation yet we have over 120 posts about it??

I'll guess he was a nutjob first and a moslem second.

[Toad]

Originally posted by john9001
""I know some of the "profiling" that is allowed right now. It's not race related ""

not true, .

I guess I wasn't clear.

I am aware of some of the profiling factors that are currently in use; certainly not all. The ones that I personally know about are not race related.

I am sure I don't know all of them.

[WhiteHawk]

By the way.  Bosnians are white peopl.  They look like you and me only with bigger heads for some reason, like flattop from dick tracy.  They wouldnt be sorted out for profiling even though the majority of them ar muslim.  Maybe they could get a head template at airports that one has to be able to squeeze thru to avoid the dreaded cavity search.

[Red Tail 444]

What was the religion of the Columbine shooters?

What religion was McVeigh?

What religion was every other "pig" who took on an act of terrorism on American soil?

This was a kid with a serious problem, and linking it to his religion is nonsense. It's a pretty forgone conclusion that when terrosists hit us they hit a lot harder than a teenager taking out civilians in a mall.

To all the people thinking of overthrowing the government, on this BBs? Are you all closet Muslims?

[lazs2]

nashwan..  you certainly are not saying that the government of israel is not allowing it's citizens to carry concealed weapons?   You would not say that strict gun control like in your tyranized country would stop the killing in Israel are you?

Nope, Israel is a good example for allowing citizens to go armed to combat those who would do them harm.

I believe that it is people like you nashwan who have disarmed your neighbors... that it is people like you who will be to blame when your country erupts in some kind of widespred violence and the good people can do nothing... every time a citizen of your country who wants to be armed but can't is killed or assaulted in your country... it is yours and people like yours fault.    You are the enemy of human rights.

you may be right about the other shooting tho since I have not even heard of it..  Maybe you can provide a link to it so we can compare?

I don't care if the guy is a muslim nut job or a kkk nutjob or whatever.   I want to be armed when he goes off.

eskimo... did you mean the swiss?

lazs