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Viking · « **Reply #75 on:** February 14, 2007, 04:59:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
Please tell me how robbery is terrorism?

Bronk

Edit: I'm not talking robbery to support terrorism either.

Robbery isn’t necessarily terrorism and neither is mass murder. That was my point.

Timothy James McVeigh killed 168 people, injured 850 more and destroyed or damaged more than 300 buildings. On August 10, 1995 McVeigh was indicted on 11 counts: Conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction, use of a weapon of mass destruction, destruction by explosives, and eight counts of first-degree murder. You’ll notice none of those indictments were “terrorism”.

deSelys · « **Reply #76 on:** February 14, 2007, 05:03:29 PM »

I'd stick with the definition given by the FBI, if I was you.

(If you make a too broad definition, you'll be forced to admit that Cousin Jozef and Uncle Adolf had been right all along when they claimed the USAF and the RAF were terrorists.)

Wait for the results of the investigation to see if he had political motives or if he was just insane.

SteveBailey · « **Reply #77 on:** February 14, 2007, 05:04:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
Robbery isn’t necessarily terrorism and neither is mass murder. That was my point.

Timothy James McVeigh killed 168 people, injured 850 more and destroyed or damaged more than 300 buildings. . You’ll notice none of those indictments were “terrorism”.

I was hoping you'd bring this up. This was an act of domestic terrorism and was referred to as such by countless people here. Mcveigh is commonly referred to as a terrorist... need links?

Wiki def: Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001) was an American terrorist convicted of eleven federal offenses and ultimately executed as a result of his role in the April 19, 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. The bombing, which claimed 168 lives, is considered the deadliest incident of domestic terrorism in U.S. history.

Viking · « **Reply #78 on:** February 14, 2007, 05:18:19 PM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
I was hoping you'd bring this up. This was an act of domestic terrorism and was referred to as such by countless people here. Mcveigh is commonly referred to as a terrorist... need links?

Commonly referred to … yes. Actually a terrorist … no. The prosecution found that McVeigh was attacking the federal government and was motivated by revenge. That is not an act of terrorism, and thus he was not charged with terrorism or conspiracy to commit terrorism.

You see, what people commonly refer to as [insert anything] is in most cases wrong. This seems to be more true in America than most other places.

SteveBailey · « **Reply #79 on:** February 14, 2007, 05:24:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
Commonly referred to … yes. Actually a terrorist … no. The prosecution found that McVeigh was attacking the federal government and was motivated by revenge. That is not an act of terrorism, and thus he was not charged with terrorism or conspiracy to commit terrorism.

whether he was charged w/ jaywalking or terrorism, he was a terrorist

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You see, what people commonly refer to as [insert anything] is in most cases wrong. This seems to be more true in America than most other places. [/B]

Eat my arse you anti-American whackjob. Dole out insults, expect them back in return.

RedTop · « **Reply #80 on:** February 14, 2007, 05:34:19 PM »

Interesting read Wrag...thanks

Ahhh the PC world.....so much time to figure out new ways to get around the truth.

Bronk · « **Reply #81 on:** February 14, 2007, 05:38:12 PM »

Note the date.

U.S. Code as of: 01/19/04
Section 2331. Definitions

As used in this chapter -
(1) the term "international terrorism" means activities that -
(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that
are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of
any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed
within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended -
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by
intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass
destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

(C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of
the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of
the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they
appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which
their perpetrators operate or seek asylum;

(2) the term "national of the United States" has the meaning
given such term in section 101(a)(22) of the Immigration and
Nationality Act;
(3) the term "person" means any individual or entity capable of
holding a legal or beneficial interest in property;
(4) the term "act of war" means any act occurring in the course
of -
(A) declared war;
(B) armed conflict, whether or not war has been declared,
between two or more nations; or
(C) armed conflict between military forces of any origin; and

(5) the term "domestic terrorism" means activities that -
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation
of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended -
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by
intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass
destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of
the United States.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/18/parts/i/chapters/113b/sections/section_2331.html

I don't think "terrorism" was an indictable offense prior to this law. (In the US anyway)
Only the acts while committing terrorism.

Bronk

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #82 on:** February 14, 2007, 06:08:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
Did this kid make some sort of political or religious statement before killing those people? Going postal is not terrorism.

None that have been reported so far.

ack-ack

Viking · « **Reply #83 on:** February 14, 2007, 06:31:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
Note the date.

U.S. Code as of: 01/19/04
Section 2331. Definitions

I don't think "terrorism" was an indictable offense prior to this law. (In the US anyway)
Only the acts while committing terrorism.

Bronk

That may be the case; I’m no expert on US law. However that law, while being the current law on terrorism, is not the first US law on terrorism:

1984 Act to Combat International Terrorism (Public Law 98-533)

International Security and Development Cooperation Act of 1985 (Public Law 99-83)

Omnibus Diplomatic Security and Antiterrorism Act of 1986 (Public Law 99-399)

Anti-Terrorism and Arms Export Amendments Act of 1989 (Public Law 101-222)

Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989 (Public Law 101-298)

Aviation Security Improvement Act of 1990 (Public law 101-604)

Anti-Terrorism Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 (Public law 104-132)

Viking · « **Reply #84 on:** February 14, 2007, 06:33:50 PM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Eat my arse you anti-American whackjob.

I’d rather not. I don’t swing that way.

Slash27 · « **Reply #85 on:** February 14, 2007, 06:59:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
You see, what people commonly refer to as [insert anything] is in most cases wrong. This seems to be more true in America than most other places.

With your opinion being so highly valued, I'll rethink my whole way of life. Thank you for your insight.

Viking · « **Reply #86 on:** February 14, 2007, 08:24:32 PM »

No need to exaggerate. Display your oversensitive feelings if you must, but while you guys hate to admit it you know I’m right, and that’s enough for me.

Slash27 · « **Reply #87 on:** February 14, 2007, 08:34:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
No need to exaggerate. Display your oversensitive feelings if you must, but while you guys hate to admit it you know I’m right, and that’s enough for me.

Oversensitive to? Your bull****? Hardly. I do find it odd how much time some of you tards spend hating the U.S. You guys have alot of spare time over there. I suppose I need to accrue some more vacation time or something.

VOR · « **Reply #88 on:** February 14, 2007, 08:36:28 PM »

INTERNET PURSEFIGHT!!!!!

Bronk · « **Reply #89 on:** February 14, 2007, 08:46:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
That may be the case; I’m no expert on US law. However that law, while being the current law on terrorism, is not the first US law on terrorism:

1984 Act to Combat International Terrorism (Public Law 98-533)
Funding for reward plan of information on international terrorism
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d098:HR06311:@@@L&summ2=m&%7CTOM:/bss/d098query.html

International Security and Development Cooperation Act of 1985 (Public Law 99-83)
Relating to funding for the Special Defense Acquisition Fund.
http://rs9.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d099:SN01726:

Omnibus Diplomatic Security and Antiterrorism Act of 1986 (Public Law 99-399)
To provide for the security of United States diplomatic personnel, facilities, and operations
http://rs9.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d099:HR04151:@@@S

Anti-Terrorism and Arms Export Amendments Act of 1989 (Public Law 101-222)
To prohibit exports for military equipment to countries supporting international terrorism, and for other purposes.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d101:91:./list/bss/d101HR.lst:@@@L&summ2=m&

Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989 (Public Law 101-298)
Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production, and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and Their Destruction, by prohibiting certain conduct relating to biological weapons, and for other purposes.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d101:SN00993:@@@L&summ2=m&

Aviation Security Improvement Act of 1990 (Public law 101-604)
To promote and strengthen aviation security
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d101:8:./temp/~bdnkXi::

Anti-Terrorism Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 (Public law 104-132)

To prevent and punish acts of terrorism.
http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d104:SN00735:@@@X

Finaly some punishmet stuff. But wait.........
this was after the Oklahoma city bombing.

So Timothy James McVeigh could not be charged with a law vilation that did not exist at the time he committed an "act of terrorism".

Keep trying Viqueen.

Bronk