Iran isn't involved

[babek-]

Originally posted by cav58d
Yea....Sure Babek.  Maybe if your a nazi?
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I dont think that i am a national-socialist. I also havent rounded up homosexuals, jews, gipsies and/or communists and put them into Arbeit-macht-frei-camps to butcher them.
Nor did the iranians in their history.

In contrary - even while under the influence of the German Reich under the regime of Shah Reza I of the Pahlavi dynasty the iranian jews were not hunted. OK - the iranian homosexuals and the communists were - but thats another topic.

The iranian jews were and are part of the iranians and their history. Thats the reason why still new synagogs are build in Teheran.

Many prominent israeli politicians were born in Iran before they started their career in Israel - even the israeli president Mosche Katzav.

But that was not my question.

Actually the US-troops are fighting in Iraq against the suicide-bomber terrorists of Al Kaida and the Taliban in Afghanistan.

And its a fact that the shi ite Iran is the bitter enemy of the fundamentalistic-sunnite Al Kaida and Taliban, while Saudi-Arabia and Pakistan are strong supporters of these terrorist organisations who kill and wound so many US-soldiers.

So my question was:
Why there are no TV-reports about this fact? That the so called "friends of the USA" Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are supporting the Al Kaida and the Taliban?

Its OK, that there are reports of the bad Iran. But why not - alt least - also reports of how Saudi-Arabia and pakistan not only helped to keep the US-enemies Al Kaida and taliban alive but helping them to be able to fight and kill US-soldiers until today?
Is such a fact not worth to be reported or is there a reason why this shouldnt be reported?

That was the simple question - and while you brought many quotes of what the iranian president said I couldnt find any answer to the question I put in into the discussion.

[storch]

the problem isn't persia.  as babek states the persians have historically been very open, very laisse faire with regards to other cultures and religions.  the problem is compound several nutjobs and the bad influences of a bloody, filthy religion ushered in by the arabs some 1450 odd years ago when the arabs finally quashed the sassanian empire at what was arguably the height of persian civilization.

keep in mind that if you are white your roots can be traced to persia.

oddly enough or perhaps predictably enough it was the openess of persian society that allowed the murderous arabs the ability to gain access to the culture.

[cpxxx]

The truth is there is no truth. In the complex world of political alliances and religious dogmas and idealogies, particularly the middle east. Nothing is quite as it seems.

There is a tendency among many people to try and simplify things into good guy/bad guy scenarios. To soundbyte everything into simple slogans.

Presidents do it all the time and eventually look ridiculous. Like or not Babek. The President of Iran is not helping his country's image with his ludicrous anti Israeli pantomine. His absurd comments on the holocaust demonstrate he's either an idiot or a cynical liar. He really is a theatrical bad guy and plays into the hands of people who want to believe the worst about Iran. But he was elected by Iranians and we must assume he represents their views. If he goes out next election we know different. But right now like one or two other blowhards he is playing the anti American card for all it's worth.

On the other hand President Bush fell into the same trap but unlike Iran. America is a resolutely free country and even his generals contradict him. His credibility is shot.

A couple of years from now, US President XXXXXX (fill in the gap yourself) could be visiting Iran to be greeted by cheering crowds of Iranians waving the stars and stripes. During his visit he condems the actions of country X (a former ally) and promises drastic measures against them if they won't cease and desist.

That's politics and life in general, shifting sands. Is Iran the bad guy? Yes. for now. Next week, who knows.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by FBplmmr
NO BLOOD FOR BEER!  

I dunno. Even liberals might dissagree on that one

[rpm]

[babek-]

Originally posted by cpxxx
The truth is there is no truth. In the complex world of political alliances and religious dogmas and idealogies, particularly the middle east. Nothing is quite as it seems.

There is a tendency among many people to try and simplify things into good guy/bad guy scenarios. To soundbyte everything into simple slogans.

Presidents do it all the time and eventually look ridiculous. Like or not Babek. The President of Iran is not helping his country's image with his ludicrous anti Israeli pantomine.
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And again my question:

I accept that you define Iran as an enemy - thats Ok for me. Logical with the arguments you pointed out.

The question was: Why not defining also Saudi-Arabia and pakistan as enemies. There are much more and reliable proofs that these countries support extremely the Al Kaida and the Taliban than the MDW-proofs of Iraq or the iranian austrian superrifles.

But no one seems to care that with the help of Saudi Arabia and pakistan the Al Kaida terrorists and Taliban terrorist are able to hurt and kill US-soldiers.

[john9001]

Originally posted by babek-

The question was: Why not defining also Saudi-Arabia and pakistan as enemies. There are much more and reliable proofs that these countries support extremely the Al Kaida and the Taliban than the MDW-proofs of Iraq or the iranian austrian superrifles.
 

because you eliminate your enemies one at a time, or are you impatient and want everything done yesterday.

[babek-]

Interesting strategy.

So instead of eliminating the main supporters of Taliban an d Al Kaida one by time it is wiser to eliminate Saddams Iraq (which was a brutal regime but far away from supporting both groups who were involved in 9/11) and now Iran, which is an old enemy of Al Kaida and taliban?

Thats a strange logic...

[john9001]

Iran is not the enemy, the govt of iran is the enemy, you work to change the govt, it's much cheaper that way. the same with saudi-arabia.

such things take time, what is your hurry?

[babek-]

Many iranians also dont like the government.
There have already been elections where Ahmadinedjads puppets suffered severe losses - like Bush in the recent innerpolitic elections.

But there is one thing you should know about iranians. In the moment when foreigners attack Iran the people will end any opposition and support the actual government. So this would only help Ahmadinedjad. Sometimes I think that Mr. A. hopes that Mr. B. attacks Iran in order to stabilize the Mullah regime.

The same happened when Saddam and his arabs invaded Iran. In these times Iran was in the middle of an inner political fight. The shah and his SAVAK-terorregime have been deposed and many groups were fighting for power.

All these ended in the moment, when the arabs attacked Iran. And so Khomeini and the mullahs could stabilize their regime.

The same will happen again.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by -tronski-
And yet there are 20 odd synagogues, a jewish MP, and 1 of the 4 jewish charity hospitals worldwide all in Tehran...

 Tronsky

And didn't the Iranian government a few years ago hold a witch hunt against their Jewish population?  I seem to recall reading about mass arrests and trials for them being "Zionist spies" and allies of the "Great Satan".


ack-ack

[babek-]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
And didn't the Iranian government a few years ago hold a witch hunt against their Jewish population?  I seem to recall reading about mass arrests and trials for them being "Zionist spies" and allies of the "Great Satan".


ack-ack

There were also reports in the last year that all iranian jews had to wear a yellow badge - ordered by the iranian parliament.

Finally it became clear that such a nonsense was never planned or performed but lies published by exile iranians.

The iranian jews have been always seen als iranians by the iranians. By those from the pre-islamic time and those of the islamic time. The iranian people are not only the aryan iranians - like the persians, medians and kurds - but also the non aryan people - like semitic arabs, semitic jews or turkish azerbeidjani.
These all are iranians and were never isolated and killed like the jews in european nations, where often jews were seen as foreigners although they lived for generations in the country.