Author Topic: Notebook  (Read 361 times)

Offline cav58d

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3985
Notebook
« on: February 14, 2007, 11:50:09 PM »
With my new job, I am doing a lot of travel, and I have decided its time to buy a notebook.  Nothing crazy.  Just something with Word, a Wireless Connection, and the ability to play Aces High (and TOD when it comes out, without having to worry about video settings).  Can this be done for $1,700 or less?  If so, any suggestions?
<S> Lyme

Sick Puppies II

412th Friday Night Volunteer Group

Offline RDRTrash

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2564
Notebook
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2007, 12:01:01 PM »
I've been a Laptop pilot for about 3 years now in AH.  I've used two different models of laptop:
Gateway 450ROG (Centrino 1.3 CPU, 20 GB HD, and a ATI Video Card) for about 2 years (15" screen with 1024x768 res, generated about 32 refresh in combat)
NOW using a Gateway M680 (Centrino 1.6 CPU, 60 GB HD, ATI RADEON X700 Video) for the last year or so (17" screen and full 128 keyboard INCLUDING the magnificent 10-key pad) generating about the same 30-40 refresh rates in combat

Basically what is important, or the things that I find to be important in finding a laptop is (in order of importance):
1) Video Card Performance:
  a) Most Reliable video option (I choose ATI over NVidea (let the curses be thrown, I won't answer them))
  b) Best Video Processor chipset available (that I am willing to pay for)
  c) one or two steps off of the most video memory available (If I can buy a 512 MB video card or a 256 MB video card, I'll choose the 256 MB because it's a huge price difference and I won't notice the difference).
2) Screen resolution; get at least a TFT display, makes a big difference
3) KEYBOARD; My eyes bugged out when I noticed that my current laptop had a FULL keyboard plus a full 10-key off to the side, and it's also the thing that I get the most comments about when others see my laptop, nevermind the kick-butt screen and the fact that I can play a flight sim in my hotel room or even at the Airport Terminal (which I've done).  (it's funny when the pilot of your 737 stops to watch you wax a 109 with your AFTERBURNER flight stick before beginning his pre-flight, lol).

End result is that using a laptop as your gaming machine is perfectly viable.  I don't have the very best refresh rates, but I am not noticing the shortcoming, I kill plenty of bogies, AND I have a great time flying from anywhere I'm at, ESPECIALLY at the airport!  Keeps me out of the bars for a few nights of the week anyway.

Cheers!

Offline RDRTrash

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2564
Notebook
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2007, 12:12:52 PM »
Oh, I forgot:

The CPU speed really doesn't matter very much because once the game has loaded, all the real work is being done by the on-video processor, chipset, and memory.  So I use Centrino for the battery life when I'm working.  Batteries last maybe only an hour if I'm flying, so I almost never fly on batteries, I'll find an outlet and jack in.

Price: I paid about $1600 both times.  It seems that the laptop class that gets the job done costs about that much.  I did pick 2 or 3 upgrade options from the basic class (like XP Pro instead of XP Home, better Video Card, better laptop RAM, Bigger Hard Drive), but it was mostly included in the class of the laptop I was choosing.

I subscribed to the thread in case you have a follow up question.

Offline OOZ662

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7019
Notebook
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2007, 12:47:45 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by RDRTrash
Oh, I forgot:

The CPU speed really doesn't matter very much because once the game has loaded, all the real work is being done by the on-video processor, chipset, and memory.


We could only wish that were true, Trash. Everything you don't see (flight dynamics, physics, ect.) are running through the CPU, and that's easily the bulk of the game.
A Rook who first flew 09/26/03 at the age of 13, has been a GL in 10+ Scenarios, and was two-time Points and First Annual 68KO Cup winner of the AH Extreme Air Racing League.

Offline Skuzzy

  • Support Member
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 31462
      • HiTech Creations Home Page
Notebook
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2007, 12:52:23 PM »
The performance of the CPU is very critical to the game performance.  Aces High II has the ability to push most graphics cards over the edge, in terms of data to deal with.

But, if the CPU is too slow, the data cannot be gotten to the video card.  The data comes from a melee of floating point operations in dealing with the physics of flight.

It is a balancing act, to be sure.  Too slow of a CPU and you get lousy frame rates as the video card is waiting on the CPU.  A video card which is too slow simply drops frames as the CPU flies on by.  Neither condition is acceptable as they both mar the games performance.
Roy "Skuzzy" Neese
support@hitechcreations.com

Offline MrRiplEy[H]

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11633
Notebook
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2007, 01:29:55 PM »
I've purchased three LG centrino-dual laptops recently (typing this on a P1 Express Dual) and I've been extremely satisfied with them.

Full keyboard, 1680x1050 display, 2 gigs of ddr2 667, 5.1 sound, dual layer dvd-rw etc. for less than $1900.

The pro models lack a bit on display card side tho, this has only Ati X1400 and it can't cut the mustard on latest games. Plays Disney Toontown just fine though.
Definiteness of purpose is the starting point of all achievement. –W. Clement Stone

Offline RDRTrash

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2564
Notebook
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2007, 12:01:58 AM »
Well, I'll bow to the CPU point.  Since I usually close as many applications and processes as possible before flying, I'll assume that's why I don't see a performance or display loss.  I fly just fine and I see other aircraft and other events in game time as nearly as anyone else it seems.  I think 00Z can attest that my gaming setup is not lacking, for a laptop that is.

Thanks for the correction on the CPU requirements 00Z and Skuzzy,

Offline OOZ662

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7019
Notebook
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2007, 10:03:56 AM »
Nah, but your megawarps to the front of the pack (while you were on vacation or something, I think) were a sight to behold. :D
A Rook who first flew 09/26/03 at the age of 13, has been a GL in 10+ Scenarios, and was two-time Points and First Annual 68KO Cup winner of the AH Extreme Air Racing League.

Offline xtyger

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 492
      • Fred's Humboldt Blog
Dell Latitude 600
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2007, 01:02:01 PM »
I usually played on this Alienware system which, as some may know, is made for gaming. Eventually I had a problem with it and didn't play for a while until some friends donated a laptop to the cause.

It's a Dell, with a 1.5 cpu and Radeon 3000something or other video card. I've been told the video card is NOT a good one for playing AH with.

I went ahead and loaded Aces High and it works. Certainly the graphics aren't nearly as good as with the Alienware and there's a horizontal strip of dark area where the horizon is supposed to be about an inch and a half high. You can see things close up but, if a con's out a ways, all you can see is his icon and not the plane until he gets close enough. Sometimes that can be too late.

Nonetheless, I've had fun with it and gotten many kills, despite the slow frame rates, occasional freeze ups and such. I played with the laptop for months and pretty much just got used to the glitches and deficiencies of it and considered it the norm.

Then I got my Alienware fixed and started playing on that again. Now the laptop drives me nuts when I go out of town and play with it because I'm so used to the Alienware.

Oh, and I'm sure it depends on the quality of the laptop, but don't even think of trying to play the game on battery power. I tried it once and the game basically just sat there, frozen with a frame rate of 1 or 2. Hooked it up to the wall outlet and it ran fine.

A couple other suggestions for travelers: buy one of those two prong adapters for electrical outlets. I've found a lot of older hotels (and some I didn't think were so old) only have the old two prong style electrical plugs. AC adapters nowadays nearly always have the three prong plugs. Keep the adapter in your laptop bag so you can plug in anywhere.

Also, an eight or ten foot extension cord is nice to have along as you might not always have a socket right where you want to play at. I keep telling myself to keep one in my car but have yet to do so. Luckily, the two prong adapter solved most of the outlet access problems so I haven't really needed an extension cord since I got the two prong adapter.

Last but not least, try and have your laptop set up for both hardline and wireless dsl, PLUS regular dial up. I keep an eight foot section of phone line in my laptop bag so I can connect if the hotel doesn't provide broadband. Be sure and check hotel rules, though, as some charge through the nose for even local phone calls. But, if they don't charge for local calls, if you use AT&T dsl (same as SBCGlobal) they have freel local dial up numbers in nearly every town in my state of California.

Most hotels and motels with hard line dsl provide the hook up cables so you shouldn't need to carry those. If you don't have  wireless connector inside your laptop, be sure and by one of those usb wireless things so you can plug it in and connect anywhere wireless is available. I saw Staples selling one such thing for $30 or $40 a while back.

Then you'll be all set.

Offline xtyger

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 492
      • Fred's Humboldt Blog
USB Ports
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2007, 01:25:52 PM »
Oh, one thing to emphasize since I suggested possibly buying a USB wirless connection: Keep in mind how many usb ports you have since using one for wireless might mean not being able to use some other peripheral.

I only have two usb ports on my Dell. If I didn't have the wireless hardware already installed that would mean I'd have to use one port for a wireless connection. With only one port left, that would mean I'd have to chose between using my joystick or my mouse, not both as I of course prefer to.

I suppose you could get by using the touch type mouse that laptops have, but I have enough trouble mousing around the game without that hassle.

Offline Chilli

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4278
Good to know!!!
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2007, 10:40:28 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
It is a balancing act, to be sure.  Too slow of a CPU and you get lousy frame rates as the video card is waiting on the CPU.  A video card which is too slow simply drops frames as the CPU flies on by.  Neither condition is acceptable as they both mar the games performance.



      Checklist:

CPU upgrade      - check
Vid Card             - check
See pretty stuff                  - check
Sell a kid            - check
Mortgage           -   errrr.........:huh

Actually, :aok last year I was able to stay indoors (yah me!)  Please take note, sliders in AH have made it possible to do away with some eye candy, and for the most part gameplay is superb....   I am however concerned with upcoming terrain changes and hopefully Combat Tour, that my machine will take a tumble due to my inability to keep up this juggling act.  

Maybe some answers soon if selected for beta testing :O