Author Topic: P-38 (Read 1579 times)

LEADPIG · « **Reply #30 on:** February 21, 2007, 03:20:15 AM »

I'll stay outta this one, bullets talk louder than words.... Btw there's S.A.A.P Forums ????

Bronk · « **Reply #31 on:** February 21, 2007, 07:34:01 AM »

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Originally posted by LEADPIG
I'll stay outta this one, bullets talk louder than words.... Btw there's S.A.A.P Forums ????

Bronk

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #32 on:** February 21, 2007, 07:35:05 AM »

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Originally posted by LEADPIG
I'll stay outta this one, bullets talk louder than words.... Btw there's S.A.A.P Forums ????

What? Who told you that? What is S.A.A.P? Who are you?

Guppy35 · « **Reply #33 on:** February 21, 2007, 08:56:21 AM »

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Originally posted by LEADPIG
I'll stay outta this one, bullets talk louder than words.... Btw there's S.A.A.P Forums ????

Typical response of a 38 pilot who has spent too much time in a Corsair. You were added to the forum on roughly.....the first day.....Look a bit harder, you'll see it

DblTrubl · « **Reply #34 on:** February 21, 2007, 05:16:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Serenity
Who are you? Honestly, for someone whos been around that long, ive never heard of you.

Well now you have. Don't you feel enlightened?

I was trying to offer some constructive crtitcism and point you in the right direction for the info you requested. I really have no quarrel with you and am not interested in getting into a pissing match with anyone.

The cloverleaf has been discussed before and I saw no need to be redundant but I'll humor you. It was a method used by RL 38 jocks to perform a tight turn by using the benign stall characteristics of the plane. The pilot would increase back-pressure on the yoke until a stall began then ease up and allow it to subside, then rinse and repeat. They found that they could bring the nose around quicker with this method than with a steady state turn. When viewed from above the flight path would look something like a cloverleaf, hence the name. That said, I haven't had much luck trying to reproduce those results in AH and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. The reasons for this have also been discussed on this board and I don't recall anyone coming up with a definative answer. If I'm wrong here someone please correct me...I might have missed it. Ack-Ack if you can pull this off then I bow to your superior skills. Seriously. I'd love to see film of this being put to practical use. Has anyone done some testing ala Kweassa or Widewing to see if this actually does improve turn rate?

Fianna · « **Reply #35 on:** February 21, 2007, 05:42:14 PM »

I think it was used to force other planes into a stall, not to increase turnrate.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #36 on:** February 21, 2007, 07:15:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Fianna
I think it was used to force other planes into a stall, not to increase turnrate.

Yep, it's a maneuver that forces the Spitfire to either stick with the fight and eventually lose out as the P-38 will start to gain an angle with the Cloverleaf or make the Spitfire break to build up energy in which case the P-38 can then latch on the Spitfire's six position.

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Originally posted by DblTrubl
Ack-Ack if you can pull this off then I bow to your superior skills. Seriously. I'd love to see film of this being put to practical use. Has anyone done some testing ala Kweassa or Widewing to see if this actually does improve turn rate?

Do a search of the BBS and you should find a post from Widewing where he tested it out I think in either the TA or the DA. The result was that it was a beneficial maneuver for the P-38 against a Spitfire.

Remember, this isn't a 100% sure fire way of beating a Spitfire or any other plane. It is a maneuver you can try if you find yourself in that position and it will give you a chance to walk away from the fight, regardless of the Spitfire pilot's level. If the Spitfire got caught in a Cloverleaf against a P-38 at low altitudes, the Spitfire is in a very precarious position, regardless of pilot skill. As with all things with life, YMMV.

ack-ack

LEADPIG · « **Reply #37 on:** February 22, 2007, 10:10:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
What? Who told you that? What is S.A.A.P? Who are you?

I feel like Matt Damon in that new CIA movie. I guess i could never be in "intelligence".....