democrats greatest fear

[john9001]

the democrats greatest fear is that there will be a stable Iraq in nov 2008

what will pelosie and murtha do then?

[tedrbr]

If a stable Iraq in 20 months is their greatest fear..... they've got nothing to worry about.

[Maverick]

I would say their greatest fear is doing something and having to explain and or deal with the consequences. Anyone can complain, it takes thought and ideas to have a workable alternative or solution. If they had one they'd be all over the press with it. They might even get the current administration to buy it as well as long as the current troop leadership said it was a possible solution.

[Debonair]

 

[Hornet33]

No their biggest fear is that someone will ask them a question that requires an answer that doesn't allow them to place blame on anyone or anything.

I went to the DNC website and was amazed that for every issue listed as a primary concern for their party all they did was blame the republicans or Bush or both as the problem. Not one statement about what they would do to fix the problem just who is to blame.

Sad state of affairs in this country when the only thing that matters is finding someone else to blame for everything you don't like instead of coming foward with a solution.

I've always lived by the philosophy of, Don't bring me a problem, bring me a solution.

What have the Democrats done since they got into office?? NOTHING!!! They've lost 2 votes on non binding resolutions that wouldn't have done anything even if they had won the votes. They've done nothing but waste my time and money. I wouldn't hire any of those idiots to cut my grass let alone run a country.

Now I'll wait for the flaming to begin but for those of you that belive in the Democratic party please do me a favor and TRY to come back with something other that "Bush created this whole mess" or something similar. Don't place blame.....bring me a SOLUTION that makes some sort of sense.

[Kieran]

Understand, I am a conservative, mostly Republican voting man...

...but let me ask you...

...what did the Republicans do with a total lock on the government for the last few years? Not much.

They managed to push through two qualified people for the Supreme Court. That was good.

What else?

Tax relief? But was that smart? Given we are spending money hand-over-fist for this war, how can we afford the tax breaks that have been given? We can't. We are so deep in the hole now I don't know how we can get out.

No Child Left Behind legislation for public schools? What a joke. The name itself is pure insanity. You should see some of the mandates built into it. They make absolutely no sense at all - none. Yet, schools have to live up to them anyway. Your attendance didn't reach 100% after being 99.6% for three years? You lose federal funds. Twelve kids fail to pass standardized tests out of 300? Too bad, you need to knock that down to 11. Lost money. And so on. That's Bush's pet, and it's designed to guarantee failure as far as I'm concerned.

What inroads have been made on traditional Republican ideals, such as Roe v. Wade? Nothing.

How about scandal? How many we had in the last 6 years? I was hard on the last scandal-plagued administration, and this one gets no pass from me. Some seriously wrong crap is going on, and running the flag up the pole while yelling "terrorists!" won't make it all go away.

What we have after six years of this administration is... not much. The Republicans squandered their bully pulpit, and have only themselves to blame for it. The Democrats didn't take Congress away from the Republicans; the Republicans handed it to them.

I personally just want a leader that knows what he/she wants to do, can articulate that path in a clear and honest way, and make me believe they have the best interests of the country in mind. I could follow that person regardless of their views, because I am naive enough to believe that's what a leader does.

I hoped Bush would be that man. He isn't. Maybe the next person will be, but I can tell you this, my vote will have nothing to do with "R" or "D". It's the message, the vision, I want.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by john9001
the democrats greatest fear is that there will be a stable Iraq in nov 2008

what will pelosie and murtha do then?

Funny, I was going to say an armed populice.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Kieran
Understand, I am a conservative, mostly Republican voting man...

...but let me ask you...

...what did the Republicans do with a total lock on the government for the last few years? Not much.

They managed to push through two qualified people for the Supreme Court. That was good.

What else?

Tax relief? But was that smart? Given we are spending money hand-over-fist for this war, how can we afford the tax breaks that have been given? We can't. We are so deep in the hole now I don't know how we can get out.

No Child Left Behind legislation for public schools? What a joke. The name itself is pure insanity. You should see some of the mandates built into it. They make absolutely no sense at all - none. Yet, schools have to live up to them anyway. Your attendance didn't reach 100% after being 99.6% for three years? You lose federal funds. Twelve kids fail to pass standardized tests out of 300? Too bad, you need to knock that down to 11. Lost money. And so on. That's Bush's pet, and it's designed to guarantee failure as far as I'm concerned.

What inroads have been made on traditional Republican ideals, such as Roe v. Wade? Nothing.

How about scandal? How many we had in the last 6 years? I was hard on the last scandal-plagued administration, and this one gets no pass from me. Some seriously wrong crap is going on, and running the flag up the pole while yelling "terrorists!" won't make it all go away.

What we have after six years of this administration is... not much. The Republicans squandered their bully pulpit, and have only themselves to blame for it. The Democrats didn't take Congress away from the Republicans; the Republicans handed it to them.

I personally just want a leader that knows what he/she wants to do, can articulate that path in a clear and honest way, and make me believe they have the best interests of the country in mind. I could follow that person regardless of their views, because I am naive enough to believe that's what a leader does.

I hoped Bush would be that man. He isn't. Maybe the next person will be, but I can tell you this, my vote will have nothing to do with "R" or "D". It's the message, the vision, I want.

Considering the turn around in our economy and the fact that we are actually taking in MORE TAXES now than we were before the so called "tax cuts for the rich"  I'd say they've done alot.  

What erks me and most other conservatives is the fact that they did ZERO to curb illegal immigration or protect our borders.  


The dems are obstructionists.  Now that they have to come up with a plan what have they got?  A resolution that they can't get to fly that does nothing.  All that talk about minimum wage increases (wich arguably hurt more than help) hasn't materialized.  

I agree with the thread whole heartedly ( and i've been saying this since 2004) that the democrats need to do something other than just oppose a party and a president.

[Kieran]

Never called them "tax cuts for the rich". I don't subscribe to that. At any rate, the problem is an overwhelming debt that places our economy severely at risk. Short term fix, long term penalty.

Yeah, that immigration thing. Forgot about that. Worker amnesty. Sheesh.

Other than that I agree with you. Both sides need to lead, not impede.

[lasersailor184]

No, it's the lack of an understanding of economics that threatens most of the people.  Like the fact that running up the debt while in a recession will pull you out of it.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Kieran
Never called them "tax cuts for the rich". I don't subscribe to that. At any rate, the problem is an overwhelming debt that places our economy severely at risk. Short term fix, long term penalty.

Yeah, that immigration thing. Forgot about that. Worker amnesty. Sheesh.

Other than that I agree with you. Both sides need to lead, not impede.

I wasn't pinning that phrase on you, just the opposite.  I roll my eyes every time I hear it because it is such a lie.

BUT,  like I said we are pulling in more taxes now than we were with the higher rates.  With out increases in spending we'd paying down the debt, but of course Bush has spent like a teenager with a credit card.  The GWOT hasn't helped though just to be fair.

[T0J0]

Dems greatest fear?

Abolishing abortion!

[Gumbeau]

Originally posted by Kieran
Understand, I am a conservative, mostly Republican voting man...

...but let me ask you...

...what did the Republicans do with a total lock on the government for the last few years? Not much.

They managed to push through two qualified people for the Supreme Court. That was good.

What else?

Tax relief? But was that smart? Given we are spending money hand-over-fist for this war, how can we afford the tax breaks that have been given? We can't. We are so deep in the hole now I don't know how we can get out.

No Child Left Behind legislation for public schools? What a joke. The name itself is pure insanity. You should see some of the mandates built into it. They make absolutely no sense at all - none. Yet, schools have to live up to them anyway. Your attendance didn't reach 100% after being 99.6% for three years? You lose federal funds. Twelve kids fail to pass standardized tests out of 300? Too bad, you need to knock that down to 11. Lost money. And so on. That's Bush's pet, and it's designed to guarantee failure as far as I'm concerned.

What inroads have been made on traditional Republican ideals, such as Roe v. Wade? Nothing.

 

I got news for you. You are not a fiscal conservative. Low taxes are an essential tenet of conservative thought because lowering taxes stimulates the economy and actually increases the tax revenue for the government. It has happened this time around just like every other time.

Lowering taxes means more jobs. Lowering taxes on the rich is especially effective because the 'rich' create all the jobs (non-government ones anyway)

on a side note, if it were my decision the FairTax would go into effect tomorrow.

http://www.fairtax.org

[Thrawn]

The Democrats greatest fear is taking a position and actually having to stand by it.

[Kieran]

Gumbeau,

Ah, but the other tenet of fiscal conservativism is lowering overall costs. The tax cut appeases a broad group of people while spending them into oblivion. A true fiscal conservative is appalled by deficit spending.