Author Topic: KI-84 underestimated? (Read 1180 times)

Krusty · « **Reply #15 on:** February 20, 2007, 12:51:02 PM »

I'm only irate some of the time! Honest!

Heh, feel free to quote away! Chances are it's the only good one I've got in me.

Bronk · « **Reply #16 on:** February 20, 2007, 12:58:30 PM »

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Ack-Ack · « **Reply #17 on:** February 20, 2007, 01:02:38 PM »

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Krusty on math. What if there are only 10 folks on? 4 on one team and 2 on each other team?

That one ranks up there with Gunman26's 26+26=42 remark.

i wonder if Vulcan still has that screenshot

ack-ack

scottydawg · « **Reply #18 on:** February 20, 2007, 01:07:51 PM »

The 84 is a pretty cool plane, however, like others have said, the lack of armor and the spitball construction make it a risky proposition in a furball. It turns like mad, awesome low-speed handling and decent low-alt acce, but all it takes is one zoomer and a couple of .50 cal hits to take you out.

Also the ailerons rip off pretty easy in dives.

Krusty · « **Reply #19 on:** February 20, 2007, 01:41:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
That one ranks up there with Gunman26's 26+26=42 remark.

i wonder if Vulcan still has that screenshot

ack-ack

Well I typed mine at 1:30 AM or so, and was falling asleep at the keyboard. What's Gunman's excuse?

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Originally posted by scottydawg
The 84 is a pretty cool plane, however, like others have said, the lack of armor and the spitball construction make it a risky proposition in a furball. It turns like mad, awesome low-speed handling and decent low-alt acce, but all it takes is one zoomer and a couple of .50 cal hits to take you out.

Also the ailerons rip off pretty easy in dives.

Actually it's quite a sturdy plane. I've taken lots of damage (multiple hits) in many sorties and made it out alive. It's probably stronger than spitfires for soaking up damage.

1K3 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 20, 2007, 01:55:23 PM »

But Ki 84 sheds ailerons and elevators 450 mph. The controls will lock but it should not shed! I wonder if there's a report about 84's shedding like that @ 450mph.

tedrbr · « **Reply #21 on:** February 20, 2007, 02:01:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Benny Moore
The P-51? The P-51's the second hardest ship to fly in the game, I'd say.

Well, in my case, if I'm going to fly a Pony these days, I'll choose a ENY 20 Pony-B over an ENY 8 Pony-D. 4 - .50's are enough.

Most of the planes I usually fly are ENY 15 or more, if if under that, is usually part of a mission.

TheThang · « **Reply #22 on:** February 20, 2007, 02:06:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Benny Moore
The P-51? The P-51's the second hardest ship to fly in the game, I'd say.

51 is a bnz plane....with 400 mph flaps.... but theres something about it I don't like. And I wouldn't fly it anyways becasue its got.....bad accel, bad climb, bad turn (even with flaps!), average guns, great dive, great speed.

Bronk · « **Reply #23 on:** February 20, 2007, 02:11:18 PM »

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Originally posted by 1K3
But Ki 84 sheds ailerons and elevators 450 mph. The controls will lock but it should not shed! I wonder if there's a report about 84's shedding like that @ 450mph.

Possibly
Lock up might be aero only. IE you can move the control surface but to no effect because of air flow.

So once you stick that surface far enough out in that slipstream to grab. POP off it comes.

Not sure of this just putting it out there.

Bronk

Masherbrum · « **Reply #24 on:** February 20, 2007, 05:21:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Benny Moore
I feel sorry for Ki-61s. They're too underpowered to be competitive. They can't compete with any of the main fighters for speed, and there's not a whole lot they can compete with for maneuverability, either. Something like a Spitfire will eat the thing for breakfast, without salt.

But I still feel sorry for the guy flying it (except when it's Bossk, then I'm amazed at how he does it).

Anytime you wish to prove this, let me know.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #25 on:** February 20, 2007, 07:20:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
What's Gunman's excuse?

Basic stupidity.

His callsign was Gunman26 and he was probably one of the more vocal idiots this game has seen. I don't recall if he was banned or left but soon there was a Gunman42 flying around in the MA. When someone asked him if he was Gunman26, the guy responded with Gunman26+26= Gunman42. When his math error was pointed out to him, he started to insult the other guy's education because the other guy had pointed out that 26+26=52 not 42.

ack-ack

Bronk · « **Reply #26 on:** February 20, 2007, 09:05:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Basic stupidity.

His callsign was Gunman26 and he was probably one of the more vocal idiots this game has seen. I don't recall if he was banned or left but soon there was a Gunman42 flying around in the MA. When someone asked him if he was Gunman26, the guy responded with Gunman26+26= Gunman42. When his math error was pointed out to him, he started to insult the other guy's education because the other guy had pointed out that 26+26=52 not 42.

ack-ack

Bronk

Benny Moore · « **Reply #27 on:** February 20, 2007, 09:41:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Anytime you wish to prove this, let me know.

Great! I'm always up for a few friendly duels. I'll try to host Blue Sky tomorrow perhaps eight hours before the time of this post tomorrow.

1K3 · « **Reply #28 on:** February 20, 2007, 10:17:04 PM »

If you're fighting in his arena note that Wind is on.

Karnak · « **Reply #29 on:** February 20, 2007, 11:27:46 PM »

Keep in mind that flying habits also affect what is the best fighter for somebody.

Spitfires are my favorite aircraft, but for me the F4Us and Ki-84 are much easier to use. Luckily I like the Ki-84 too.

As to durability, so far as I can tell it is more durable than any Spitfire in AH. The only real shortcomings it has is high speed handling, which isn't that bad, and gun ballistics. I can do things in the Ki-84 that I cannot in the Spitfire and I feel like I have the advantage on any Spitfire in AH at normal combat altitudes. Don't fight a Mk IX or Mk XIV at 25,000ft though, that would be dumb.

Contrary to what Benny Moore said, the Ki-84 handles anltitude gains about the same as the Mk XVI. The Mk XVI's clipped wings and Merlin 266 cause it to lose effectiveness over 15,000ft as well.

I have never shed the control surfaces on the Ki-84 due to overspeeding either. Just watch your speed and be willing to let things go if you have too, which isn't very often. Usually all that dive does is blow their E and place me above them. Now the Mossie, that is a control surface shedder.

Basically, there is nothing in AH that I feel completely outmatched by when I am flying a Ki-84. I cannot say the same of the Spitfires.