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Offline Halo

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« on: February 19, 2007, 10:38:39 PM »
There it was again, in the middle of the night: THUNK!  Sounded like a chunk of ice slid off the roof and hit the wooden deck.  Or was it another Marine exercise down at Quantico?  

Maybe an intruder stumbling and falling over an outside chair?

Whatever, it required investigating.  Prudence (not my wife's name, just her attitude) dictated discreet firepower available if needed.  

For safety and peace of mind, I never have a loaded gun in the house.  I have shells quickly available but not with the guns.  Meaning I have to load quickly and usually in the dark.  

The 12-gauge coach shotgun?  Safe and easy to load but only two shells with two in reserve.  Short but still a bit awkward in narrow home hallways.

The .30 caliber carbine?  Easy to load 15-round magazine, but also a bit challenging to manuever in narrow home hallways, and bullets that could go a long way if they miss.  

The .357 double action revolver?  Not easy to load six shells even with speedloader.  .357 might go too far if miss target, and .38 not always powerful enough.  

All of these require a flashlight somewhere and have sights virtually useless in the dark.  

Dilemma solved.  At gun show Sunday, after months of research, finally gave in and bought a Springfield XD .45 ACP, 4-inch barrel, complete with two 13-round magazines.  On the accessory rail under the muzzle, mounted a Glock GTL tactical light with laser.  

It's the best combination I've found of safe operation, light weight, excellent ergonomics, effective short-range firepower, relative unobtrusiveness, and reasonable cost.  

Now response to thunks in the night can be quicker, more versatile, safer, and quite powerful if need be.  I get the gun from a drawer, a loaded magazine from somewhere else close by, insert the magazine, and for added safety DO NOT pull back the slide and chamber a round.  

But I could quickly if need be.  

The muzzle accessory can be a blindingly bright light, a laser, or both, turned on only when needed by simply extending the finger to the toggle switch just past the front edge of the trigger guard.  The laser is sighted in to the iron sights so is plenty accurate enough from all sorts of positions normally never attempted, and that's with both eyes open, tremendously improving situation awareness.  

Because I never want to point a gun at anything except a positively determined hostile threat, and not always then unless it becomes absolutely necessary, I can still carry a small mag lite in the other hand to avoid escalating the situation on initial contact.  

If things get ugly, the small mag lite can be dropped or placed as a decoy and the XD light and/or laser activated for shock effect and warning.  

Sure, this is melodramatic in a safe suburban neighborhood.   But doodoo can happen anywhere.  The XD .45 ACP with light/laser is the best home defense solution I've found.

Fired 200 rounds through it today at the local indoor range, and the XD performed flawlessly (except, ironically, failing to feed the first cartidge from each of the two magazines the first time I inserted them, but never again).  

The laser sight is humbling.  Shows every little twitch that most shooters have.  Distracting to other shooters too.  So I used it just enough to verify its usefulness, then shot mostly with iron sights.  

Rather than revitalize several previous threads about home defense, revolver vs. pistol, favorite guns and the like, this summarizes my view of the XD .45 ACP.  

Like your situation, my situation might be quite different from others', but if anything in this thread triggers a hmmmm, I recommend you consider the XD .45 ACP and a good tactical light/laser.  

Meanwhile, anything new in your home defense preparedness since all the previous related threads (hunkers down for cracks about claymore mines, moats, and industrial grade flypaper)?   :cool:
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Offline SteveBailey

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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2007, 11:22:23 PM »
It is my opinion that flashlights and lazers would just tell the bad guy where to shoot.  In my house, I am at an advantage in the dark because I know the house better than an intruder. My wife knows to stay down(we have been thru it) so anyone upright is subject to bad news.  Also, in the dark, the dogs will quickly tell me whether  or not someone is a bad guy.

I'm not saying my way is better... just offering why I leave lights/lazers off my home defense weapon(kimber .45)


Edit:  I do like the idea of the 13 round mags.  Is this available at other than your local gunshow?

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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2007, 11:25:08 PM »
A dog is the best burglary deterrent money can buy, but only because money can't buy a mechanical dog with a flashlight/laser combo package.

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2007, 12:44:08 AM »
True, many dogs are excellent home defense partners.  I've always had dogs but after our 15-year-old parsons jack russell terrier was put down, he became our final pet.  Love dogs, but we're retiring from pet care.

So I'm solo in home defense.  Wife knows to hunker down, but she is not a firearms enthusiast so she helps primarily by dialing 911 and staying out of the way.

I'm beginning to think the 13-round magazines are unusual.  The box has a big sticker Illegal in California, but that leaves 49 other states.  I was going to order a third magazine from Springfield, and noted that the website offered "only" 10 rounds.

Yet most XD ads highlight the 13+1 .45 ACP capacity.  So I'm assuming that two of those 13-round magazines come with all new XD .45 ACPs where legal.  

For me, 10 rounds are plenty; I may load the 13-round mags with just 10 rounds.  I do the same in my .30 caliber carbine, loading 10 rounds in 15-round magazines.  Probably a holdover from 10 rounds in target shooting and wanting to not stress mag springs to max.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2007, 12:47:07 AM by Halo »
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2007, 01:16:57 AM »
Good idea halo.  i keep my mags fully loaded but rotate them periodically... leave three empy, three full... switch...

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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2007, 03:06:59 AM »
Still waiting for my local gunshop to get the XD .45 with the 5" barrel. Combined with my Kel-Tec SU-16CA I think that would cover any concievable self-defence situation.



If I didn't live in Kalifornistan I would soooo own a Kel-Tec PLR 16



or a SU-16D

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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2007, 04:10:15 AM »
I also protect myself when investigating bumps in the night...

I don't have kids so my home defense weapons are loaded and ready to go.  My wife is trained up on the beretta so if she needs to shoot anyone, all she has to do is pick it up and start pulling the trigger.

My other home defense gun is a single action revolver, also kept loaded.  It's an interesting choice I think because the average stupid criminal, if they find the gun, may not realize it's single action only until after they ineffectively squeeze the trigger a few times.  It's one of those tradeoff sort of things I guess.  They're both in .40 S&W so I can use the same ammo in both.
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2007, 07:53:26 AM »
I've owned a few firearms in the past and the one that I always end up grabbing is my 12gauge, 18 & a half inch barrel, pistol grip shotgun.  I promise you that when someone hears a shotgun cycle they either freeze or run with fear.
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2007, 08:05:01 AM »
first line of defense is a large dog, me and my gun are just a back up for the dog.

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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2007, 08:07:27 AM »
I like the Kimber single stack .45 with tritium night sights.   With 9 rounds and another 8 round mag near... well...  I can't imagine needing more than a couple of shots in the house for anything anyway..

I know my house..  I don't want to hang a flashlight under the barrel but I do have a surefire by the bed for any of a number of reasons.

The .45 is sorta weak but a good stopper on unprotected targets... it won't go through too many walls either.   I like the night sights but...

I would not feel in the least unarmed with an old single action ruger or colt in any caliber like 44 special, .357 or 45 colt or 44 mag...  no big deal.. don't even need sights for point shooting at 7 yards if you practice enough.  

Anything will work tho... makarov is sometimes with me...  PPK is fine...  a good 22 even.   I think the rail under guns with all the gadgets is a little embarassing.

I went out with a guy who had a laser.   He couldn't point shoot the thing any faster than I could with my 44 revolver.  the laser was bouncing all over the place too.   I think that made him slow.  they aren't steady like in the movies.

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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2007, 08:08:21 AM »
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2007, 09:34:14 AM »
Yes, laz, the laser certainly does bounce all over the place, especially in my hands.  Like most things, I think that has good and bad aspects.  

The laser gives away the shooter's position and where the gun is pointed.  In most people's hands, the laser betrays the natural quivering of aim point.  

If there is more than one assailant, the other(s) can take comfort knowing they aren't the target at the moment.  So the laser removes a lot of uncertainty for bad guys.  Yet it gives them more uncertainty too.  

While the laser dancing around may connote uncertainly or even questionable ability, that also might make intruders more fearful of the homeowner's ability to control the gun and avoid inadvertent firing.  The bad guys also might think they're more likely to get shot accidentally, which hurts just as much as intentionally.  

The laser is intimidating.  No one wants the red spot of death on them.  Just having a laser makes the homeowner seem more highly armed.  The laser is also dangerous in itself, and most people know that it can damage their eye sight.  Wouldn't want to point at an intruder's face unless I was in mortal danger.

The laser is very distracting at the firing range.  Naturally draws everyone's attention.  Have to learn quickly to turn it on only when holding solidly on target, and even then it still betrays that inherent wiggle of most shooters.

Especially in bad light the laser can help with otherwise iffy aiming situations.  And being able to keep both eyes open with the gun not directly in front of the face tremendously enhances situation awareness.

Always tradeoffs.  I'll be experimenting with the laser/light a lot.
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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2007, 09:51:28 AM »
nothing wrong with a scattergun technologies mod of the remington 870 if you leave out the gay flashlight attachments.  or get a hacksaw and go to work yourself.  a shotgun is the best close quarter defense weapon ever devised.  I prefer a rifled slug to buck shot for that type of use but even #4 shot will work well.

I have a mossberg model 500 myself.

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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2007, 11:44:26 AM »
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a shotgun is the best close quarter defense weapon ever devised.


I have #7 in my mossberg because I'm not expecting a crackhead invasion sporting level IIIA body armor and I have neighbors.

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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2007, 01:02:29 PM »
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Originally posted by storch
nothing wrong with a scattergun technologies mod of the remington 870 if you leave out the gay flashlight attachments.  or get a hacksaw and go to work yourself.  a shotgun is the best close quarter defense weapon ever devised.  I prefer a rifled slug to buck shot for that type of use but even #4 shot will work well.

I have a mossberg model 500 myself.


Yep, nice weapon, the Mossberg 500.  You got the tactical model with the high capacity magazine (8 rounds versus the normal 6, IIRC)? Got to agree: nothing get an intruder's attention quite like the sound the Mossberg makes when chambering a round.:D
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