Thunk! Home Defense Revisited

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by john9001
a inexperienced person with a big gun, that's dangerous.

Yep.

[storch]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Statistically a firearm is the second best weapon for home defense, in regards to protecting from loss of property or injury.

The best weapon is any other weapon besides a firearm.

what a nanny state supportee thing to type.

[Thrawn]

Hardly, I believe that one has the right to have firearms.  Not because we they are the most effective form of home defense, they just aren't.  But because the government shouldn't interfere with our lives, pursuit of happiness and private property.

Trying to justify firearm ownership for faulty reasons does a disservice to the right to ownership, it certainly doesn't help.

[Debonair]

BS
the only ice in VA is in a Virginia Gentleman & Norther Neck Ginigerale highball.
if it is big enought that the ice can make a "thunk" then

!!!111:aok

[SteveBailey]

Not because we they are the most effective form of home defense, they just aren't

I'll bite, what is?

[Debonair]

a really gud troll = win

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
I'll bite, what is?

Any other weapon.

Florida State University criminologist, Gary Kleck, analyzed data from the Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey (1992-1998). Describing his findings on defensive gun use, in Armed: New Perspectives on Gun Control, New York:Prometheus Books (2001), Kleck writes:

"In general, self-protection measures of all types are effective, in the sense of reducing the risk of property loss in robberies and confrontational burglaries, compared to doing nothing or cooperating with the offender. The most effective form of self-protection is use of a gun. For robbery the self-protection meaures with the lowest loss rates were among victims attacking the offender with a gun, and victims threatenting the offender with a gun. For confrontational burglarly, attacking with a gun had the second lowest loss rate of sixteen self-protection measures, bested only by another mode of armed self-protection, threatening the offender with a nongun weapon." (p. 291)

"[W]hile defensive gun use is generally safe, it does not appear to be uniquely safe among self-protection methods as data from earlier NCVS data suggested. Nevertheless, there does not appear to be any increase in injury risk due to defensive gun use that counterbalances its greater effectiveness in avoiding property loss." (p. 292)

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgeff.html

[mandingo]

haha. gun nuts rule.  i didn't know suburban dwellers were so paranoid.

[Nilsen]

A Mag-lite and a knife.

[john9001]

clerk:: can i help you?

me:: yes I'd like to buy any other weapon.

clerk:: sir, what do you want?

me:: i want any other weapon, i heard any other weapon was better than a gun.

clerk:: yes of course, over here we have a fine selection of tennis rackets.

[lazs2]

looks like the city boys have been reading the brady bunch bull.

I am not sure how a pillow or tennis racket would be a better way for a woman or a weaker person to stop a burglar who had spent a lot of his life in the gladiator academies we call prisons.

The thing is..  guns do indeed stop over one and a half million crimes a year.   I am not sure what "other" weapon would have worked better or if there even is one besides fists, that is used as often.  With that kind of numbers it would seem that the city boys are just hiding their head in the sand or... they live very sheltered lives.

What is funny is that guys that are not too imaginative or far thinking tend to believe that because they are young and in decent shape and so far that has been enough...  that it will always be so with them.

I want more options than to run away screaming and begging for the police or just taking it. or...  a tennis racket or the car pillow.  

lazs

[Charon]

haha. gun nuts rule. i didn't know suburban dwellers were so paranoid.

I keep a 357 in an electronic finger tip-lock safe in my bedroom, loaded with 38 specials. It's not about being paranoid, or even believing that I will ever have to use it. Statistically, there are far more "serious" things to worry about like driving to work or taking a shower given where I live and my other personal demographics.

However, there is that irony thing. As a gun collector with a safe full of firearms locked up downstairs, it would just suck to encounter that one in a million home invasion and have to confront the 250 lb hardened criminal with nothing but my nightstand lamp. If the criminal didn't kill me, the irony surely would.

Charon

[Jackal1]

Great little story on the news this morning pertaining to the subject.
Two Morons invaded an apartment, forced the man and wife into the kitchen area an proceeded to ransack the place. There was another person there, hiding, who slipped the hubby his gun. Hubby shot both Einsteins and sent them to the hospital. The two lead catchers had a bud that was breaking into an apartment upstairs at the same time. He got held at knife point until the PD arrived.

[Halo]

(quote) However, there is that irony thing. As a gun collector with a safe full of firearms locked up downstairs, it would just suck to encounter that one in a million home invasion and have to confront the 250 lb hardened criminal with nothing but my nightstand lamp. If the criminal didn't kill me, the irony surely would.

Charon (unquote)

[Yknurd]

Guns?  Who needs stinking guns?!?

Chuck Norris protects my house.