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Offline lasersailor184

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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2007, 07:21:59 AM »
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I got news for you. You are not a fiscal conservative. Low taxes are an essential tenet of conservative thought because lowering taxes stimulates the economy and actually increases the tax revenue for the government. It has happened this time around just like every other time.

Lowering taxes means more jobs. Lowering taxes on the rich is especially effective because the 'rich' create all the jobs (non-government ones anyway)

on a side note, if it were my decision the FairTax would go into effect tomorrow.

http://www.fairtax.org


If you actually read through it, the fairtax bill is a poorly thought through feel good piece of legislation.
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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2007, 07:22:02 AM »
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The Democrats greatest fear is taking a position and actually having to stand by it.


Which pretty much sums up the greatest fear situation for any politician in any country.

Did you guys see the quote from Congressman Duncan Hunter? A Repbulican that threw his hat into the ring recently. He has no money, just an idea.

Great quote though:

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Hunter won what might have been the first contest of this presidential cycle ---- the Maricopa County (Phoenix) straw poll. It's a start. He says he has $300,000 "in pledges," a sum that could be a rounding error in the McCain campaign's accounts. But he says, "I kind of know what I stand for" so "I don't need consultants, and that saves a lot of money." He has produced some commercials ---- just talking to the camera ---- for $200.



Duncan Hunter Article - Sounds like the best Republican in so far to me
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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2007, 07:43:16 AM »
Their greatest fear I am convinced is that they will win the presidency on 08

which is why they are going to put up Hillary or Obamba.


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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2007, 03:06:17 PM »
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
If you actually read through it, the fairtax bill is a poorly thought through feel good piece of legislation.


At the risk of hijacking this thread, I have read through it, and quite a bit from economists on its likely impact on the economy.  It is in my opinion the single best thing we could do to insure continuing prosperity and would secure our place as the premier economic power for the foreseeable future.  However, I encourage everyone to go to the site, read about it, and seek out balanced views concerning it.  I'd go on, but that's the topic for another thread.
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2007, 03:47:38 PM »
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Originally posted by tedrbr
If a stable Iraq in 20 months is their greatest fear..... they've got nothing to worry about.


The premise just plain BA-Zonko Crazy.

Dems greatest fear blah blah blah

Repubs greatest fear blah blah blah

Nimrodic xenophobic jingoistic blue haired under the dryer Tabloid reading talkers.

Ugh.

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p.s.  I'm hoping for a couple good candidates from which to choose.  Only a nut would wish otherwise.  What we get is another matter.  Nonetheless, I'm hoping.

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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2007, 04:01:35 PM »
Sabre, this piece in the "About" in fairtax website tells me one of two things.

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The FairTax taxes us only on what we choose to spend, not on what we earn. It does not raise any more or less revenue; it is designed to be revenue neutral. So it is also cost neutral – the final cost for goods and services changes little under the FairTax. The FairTax is a fair, efficient, transparent, and intelligent solution to the frustration and inequity of our current tax system.

The FairTax:

    * Abolishes the IRS
    * Closes all loopholes and brings fairness to taxation
    * Ensures Social Security and Medicare funding
    * Brings transparency and accountability to tax policy
    * Allows American products to compete fairly
    * Reimburses the tax on purchases of basic necessities
    * Enables retirees to keep their entire pension
    * Enables workers to keep their entire paycheck


First is that they hired a second grader to write for them.  Or that they don't even realize how contradictory most of that stuff is.

I'm thinking that they don't realize how contradictory it really is.  

To get rid of income tax and not plan to get rid of all the things they spend on is just rediculous thinking.
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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2007, 04:46:02 PM »
Laser, your comment seems to imply a lack of familiarity with the details of the legislation.  I suggest you look more closely.  There is an excellent book out by the original sponsor of the bill in the House which explains how it would work, what the impacts would likely be, and address the common criticisms.  It also gives a rather illuminating history lesson about how we got the mess we call our "tax system" in the first place.  

The Fair Tax Bill does not do away with revenue collection, but only changes how the collection is done.  The short version is that taxes will be collected on purchases of new retail goods and services.  It is revenue neutral in the sense that the percentage of purchases collected as taxes is based on maintaining the current budgetary requirement; it is not meant to create a windfall revenue for Congress to fritter away, nor is it meant to collect less than what is required.  The assertion that the final cost paid for retail goods and services will remain essentially the same after the bill goes into effect is based on the fact that 18 to 25 percent of the cost of goods and services you buy under the current system is hidden taxes paid all the way from inception to delivery.  When those costs go down with the abolishment of those taxes, market forces will drive the costs to consumers down by an amount roughly equal (on average) to the federal sales tax being added back in.

Admittedly, my response here is limited, since I don't want to hijack this thread.  So I probably raised as many questions as I answered.  Just trying to show that there is more to it than you seem to realize.  If you wish to continue the discussion in another thread, feel free to start one.  I will be happy to pursue the topic further.
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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2007, 12:57:08 AM »
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If a stable Iraq in 20 months is their greatest fear..... they've got nothing to worry about.


Damn straight.

Stability in Iraq is probably decades (if not centuries) away.
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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2007, 01:08:54 AM »
thanks to the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld scamjob the democrats have their ticket punched for the next 16 years.

Yet there is hope:

For all you sad sacks still suckling on the Bush/Cheney nipple of deception hoping for a squirt of redemption, go here:

http://www.johnmccain.com/
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« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2007, 01:18:06 AM »
I liked McCain before he started suckling on that same Bush/Cheney nipple.

He's every bit as smarmy as Kerry, IMHO.
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