Author Topic: Kill stats or Teamwork? (Read 1406 times)

henchman · « **on:** February 21, 2007, 04:53:43 PM »

The other night a squadmate and I were flying together in the MA when we ran into an enemy con. My squadmate had a better angle and he engaged. When I had the chance, I dropped down into the fight (not helping because I compressed and hit the trees)

. Whatever happened after that I don't know. Next thing I know I am being accused of trying to steal a kill on channel 200. I'm not a stats guy (as you can tell by my score) , and neither is my squadmate.

My question is : What's more important, Kill stats or Teamwork?

My answer - Teamwork.

Thank you

Flatbar · « **Reply #1 on:** February 21, 2007, 04:55:38 PM »

Kill stats won't clear your 6.

killnu · « **Reply #2 on:** February 21, 2007, 04:57:23 PM »

and neither make you able to clear you own 6...

DREDger · « **Reply #3 on:** February 21, 2007, 05:04:56 PM »

Teamwork IMO....and only because it is fun.

I read in WW2 most kills occurred because the soon to be dead pilot never saw the enemy...they snuck right up and shot em. Having a partner was essential.

As far as kill stealing..unless the enemy plane is obviously mortally wounded, ie missing wings, tail, flopping around...shooting those is considered bad form just to add more bullets to the plane in hopes to get the kill.

If a plane is not mortally wounded, its anybodies kill to be had.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 21, 2007, 05:06:03 PM »

I get far greater satisfaction from going into a fight with a wingie and both of us coming out of it, then I've ever gotten from landing kills.

Granted more often then not, I'm the bait and my wingie is doing the killing, but when you've been in a good brawl where you should have died, but because you know your wingie and vice versa, you end up the only ones still standing when it's over, there is nothing to beat that feeling in AH....at least for me.

Bronk · « **Reply #5 on:** February 21, 2007, 05:11:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35

Granted more often then not, I'm the bait and my wingie is doing the killing,

Yea unless I'm on your wing Dan.
Then somehow I become the bait.

Bronk

Guppy35 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2007, 05:13:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
Yea unless I'm on your wing Dan.
Then somehow I become the bait.

Bronk

Ahh but that first time we winged in 38s is a perfect example. We both came out of there in one piece and the numbers were definately NOT in our favor.

And true to form I was in pieces, but you cleared my six any number of times and I do believe I picked a couple of you too

And I had a blast which is what it's all about:aok

Bronk · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2007, 05:18:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35
Ahh but that first time we winged in 38s is a perfect example. We both came out of there in one piece and the numbers were definately NOT in our favor.

And true to form I was in pieces, but you cleared my six any number of times and I do believe I picked a couple of you too

And I had a blast which is what it's all about:aok

Your not the only one that had a blast, yup what it's all about.

<>

Bronk

yayyyy · « **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2007, 05:21:50 PM »

if i see someone fighting a con and it looks like a fair fight i ask before i just go diving in for the most part, unless i see that the con is dead on a 6 and they are screaming for help. but teamwork is important.

i get a little angry if i am low on the deck having a good 1v1 and some guy comes in out of no where and just dives in and shoots even if im clearly winning the fight. atleast ask sometimes

im special...yayyyy..

Dichotomy · « **Reply #9 on:** February 21, 2007, 05:33:05 PM »

teamwork for me...

SkyRock · « **Reply #10 on:** February 21, 2007, 05:57:15 PM »

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Originally posted by henchman
The other night a squadmate and I were flying together in the MA when we ran into an enemy con. My squadmate had a better angle and he engaged. When I had the chance, I dropped down into the fight (not helping because I compressed and hit the trees) . Whatever happened after that I don't know. Next thing I know I am being accused of trying to steal a kill on channel 200. I'm not a stats guy (as you can tell by my score) , and neither is my squadmate.

My question is : What's more important, Kill stats or Teamwork?

My answer - Teamwork.

Thank you

To get to the jest of what I was asking you on 200, Your squaddie jumped me and had the advantage the entire time we were fighting. I saw you coming in from 4.5 K away and when you got there, right as your squaddie was 600 out my 6 and closing, you jumped in guns blazing and augered! Don't take this as an insult when I ask you this, if you had hit me and killed me, would that be fair to your squaddie who had done all the work in getting me low and slow! When I was approached about what I said to you on 200, I barely remembered the conversation, meaning that it was small fries in a big tater scene! In other words, don't get upset about it, the question was asked simply to get you to ponder how you want to play this game! I personally would jump a squaddies arse if he jumped in and shot my victim after I had done all the work, but I have 5 years under my belt so finishing what I started means a little more to me. By the way, Kotrenin did get me PW'd but some spit came in and ganged me after you augered. At least your squaddie got the kill he deserved! At any rate, I am sorry if this exchange upset you, I understand that you are a new guy and you will decide over time how you want to play. I wish you the best of luck!

~~Mark:aok~~

GooseAW · « **Reply #11 on:** February 21, 2007, 05:58:05 PM »

You know when you've got a compatible wingman. It gives you a unique confidence which makes you think less and fly better which in turn breeds more confidence etc.....

I do often go out on my own renegade runs but in the end..

Teamwork

FALCONWING · « **Reply #12 on:** February 21, 2007, 06:12:48 PM »

If you want a 1 v1 goto DA and hope noone butts in...

In the MA any red plane is a potential kill...because as you go flying by they can snapshot into you...or if they kill "the person who doesnt want help" then they will be free to doubleteam me....and i dont depend on anyone else's skill but mine...

the only thing i believe is a kill steal is if a plane is disabled (ie.. tail or rudders gone) and falling to the earth and someone chases it down blazing into it...

now if a plane is just on fire or missing a wing...then ill drop it...ive been kilt too many times by 5 minute flaming nikis and seen goons dropped by one wing planes...

sooo to sum it up....if you can kill someone...do it....

dont whine because i feel it is better to reduce the number of red planes as fast as possible....

Dichotomy · « **Reply #13 on:** February 21, 2007, 06:25:54 PM »

ahhhh Skyrock

okay to answer the question of what I'd do in that situation. I'd ask my countryman / squaddie if they wanted assistance. If they said no I'd go into a slow energy conserving turn around the fight and watch for bogies so my countryman could concentrate on the 1 V 1. Now if my countryman lost and you tried to engage me instead of landing it I'd.... well I'd prefer to say I'd kill you but more than likely I'd be kill number 2, 3, 4, whatever on that list for your sortie.

Got taken behind the woodshed for doing just the opposite about week 2 of my AH life

Don't remember who did it but he was nice and direct about it.

henchman · « **Reply #14 on:** February 21, 2007, 06:52:18 PM »

Skyrock. I wasn't upset about the exchange. When you asked if I was trying to kill steal, I just wanted to let you know that it was a squadmate. On the way to engage you, I talked to Kotrenin and he never said for me not to get involved. I have seen way to many times someone on someones 6, and the next thing you know there is a reverse move, and BOOM!!! I was just helping out my squadman. I have been in many situations with Ko before, and we always try to help each other out when we can. we are new to this game, and I count on my squad to help me whenever they can. I'm not in this game to be the top ranked player, I'm on it to have fun. I hope to learn from every experience i get involved in. I was just thinking of the situation today and i thought of the idea of killstats or teamwork would be a good topic. Again I wasn't upset with the exchange, and hope to see you in the skys again.

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