Author Topic: Head-On Attack (Read 2447 times)

sonic23 · « **Reply #60 on:** February 23, 2007, 09:19:05 PM »

ok wat is the name of your server and what is your in game ID.

Benny Moore · « **Reply #61 on:** February 23, 2007, 09:20:10 PM »

It's Blue Sky: Maximum Realism, and I'm Benny. I'll throw it up right now.

sonic23 · « **Reply #62 on:** February 23, 2007, 09:21:56 PM »

cc ill be there

WMLute · « **Reply #63 on:** February 23, 2007, 10:56:40 PM »

sonic, make sure he has the Lead Generated Gun Sight DISABLED in his arena.

(if you have that turned off, I will bet you don't land a bullet in a ho merge on me once in 10 fights. with it on, you might get a few pings, but doubt you can do damage)

AND it's the guy who did the break/lead turn who has the advantage and position not the ho'r.

If it's done right, by the time the HO dork is letting go of his trigger, I am 1/2 way around and in position to saddle 'em up.

Going for the HO put's you OUT of position.

Benny Moore · « **Reply #64 on:** February 23, 2007, 11:10:01 PM »

Right, right, he kicked my empennage and I kicked his a few too, but I didn't lay a bullet on him in a high speed head-on. Granted, I could at low speeds, but he's made his point. I still maintain that avoiding the head-on is not always possible (particularly at a low energy state or when fighting the best gunners in the game). That aside, Sonic's flying is fantastic.

Domin · « **Reply #65 on:** February 23, 2007, 11:13:38 PM »

I have seen 95% of the people that complain "I got hoed" on 200, doing the same thing. They use the HO to get the kill, or they use the HO as their reason for dying.

During the merge while most are thinking "here is my chance for a kill, I'm gonna be a hero!!", the better sticks are setting up there merge to gain the angles advantage. It comes down to most of the MA population just doesn't know any better. They may understand that hoing won't make them popular, but they don't know how to win the fight after the ho.

Now one more thing. Many better sticks will be accussed of hoing after the merge when in fact they had the angles for a shot while the other stick did not. When I duel better sticks like say bighorn, there is a very fine line in what's considered a ho (after the merge of course). But there is never any confusion between us. After the merge if you have a shot and the other guy doesn't, it is not a HO. Otherwise it is another merge, or if someone fires, a HO shot.

Benny Moore · « **Reply #66 on:** February 24, 2007, 01:11:18 AM »

I, too, do not consider it a head-on if I can't pull enough lead but the other pilot can. That was a fine bit of out-maneuvering on his part. If, however, we both have gun solution and I turn away to avoid it and he takes it, then yes it is a head-on for him. I simply didn't fire and he took advantage of that.

crockett · « **Reply #67 on:** February 26, 2007, 04:22:55 PM »

HO's can tick me off just as much as anyone but I still feel they are a valid tactic. It happend in real life so why is it "dirty" to do in AH2?

Personally I try to avoid them, but sometimes you get suckered into it by just being dumb, then other times you just get suckered. I think that's why they piss people off, because they know they just got sucker punched.

If I'm in a furball or if I'm already engaged in a fight then anything goes IMO and I'd expect the same from anyone I was fighting against. I think it's tactful to avoid a HO on the first pass "unless" you are out numbered. Then anything goes but I'd expect the ones with the number advantage to restrain from a easy HO kill.

Last night I was defending A28 on TT map. I'm chasing a spit getting real close to his 6 and ready for a shot but he drags me into a on coming teammate of his. Of course I could have broke off but I figured the other guy wouldn't HO me. LoL well I was wrong he sucker punched me big time.

So I took note, because he was the only guy flying a 110. Well we were defending the base and they had the fighter cap pretty good so the same guy managed to kill me again .. no biggie to me. In fact I wasn't even ticked about the HO.. I figured I should have known better.

Well I up again and this time I get a a chance to build some alt. Mr 110 comes in and does a run on the base. He flies past think he took out a gun emplacement and he starts a climb so he can make another run. Well I follow him up but I stay kinda low and I know I'm' pushing my luck because I don't have enough E.

Well as luck would have it, he makes his turn and I'm still in a good position so I pump some no tracer lead in his face as he's coming back down. I smoked one of his engines and I then drop in behind him to give chase. He manages to take out out Vh on his pass and starts to run.

I started chasing him but he had a lot more E but because he decided to leave by going over the mountain at 28 I knew I'd have a chance in catching him. Well he's like 1k out and going up the mountain so I take a few pop shots at him and must have hit him or he blacked out because of a pilot would because he crashed at the top of the mountain.

So I'm happy to kill him because it was the same guy that orginally HO'ed me while I was in the fight with another guy.

lol well wouldn't you know it.. He sends me a private message was something like "you have no game noob"

All I can say is that made my day and the best part is I have it all recored.

texasmom · « **Reply #68 on:** February 26, 2007, 04:44:58 PM »

I'd shoot any of y'all head-on.
I wouldn't feel less of myself for doing it...
I wouldn't feel guilty about it...
probably my only remark after the whining that follows: "suck it up cupcake."

Of course, I usually don't last long enough to actually shoot at anyone.

But who cares? It's just a game y'all.

whiteman · « **Reply #69 on:** February 26, 2007, 05:00:35 PM »

when ever i'm defending a base and heavily out numbered i'm tring to get as many kills as fast as possible. and a HO is a quick kill if i survive and then i can move on to the next target, no logic in my mind to get into a a 1 on 3,4 or what ever it is. Never bothers me to get HO'd, takes two to get in the position anyways.

i will say i have successfully HO'd 8 straight people in a 110 before being HO'd myself, i thought it was funny.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #70 on:** February 26, 2007, 05:36:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Benny Moore
I, too, do not consider it a head-on if I can't pull enough lead but the other pilot can. That was a fine bit of out-maneuvering on his part. If, however, we both have gun solution and I turn away to avoid it and he takes it, then yes it is a head-on for him. I simply didn't fire and he took advantage of that.

So if you turn and he doesn't, it's a HO. That's an interesting interpretation.

Ghastly · « **Reply #71 on:** February 26, 2007, 08:59:38 PM »

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Originally posted by aerosaber
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I just found it strange that this practice is so dissed. Not defending myself, no need, just conversation.

I get the HO as much as anyone else. I usually lose, but dont start sending nastygrams to the guy who killed me.

The reason that they are dissed is because:

a) In real life, no one would deliberately gamble their lives on a 50/50 dice roll every time they engaged an enemy aicrcraft -and-
b) Generally, in real life pilots had some training. You didn't just show up one day and have an endless supply of factory fresh aircraft to zoom around in.

It's one of the things that detracts from the enjoyment of the moderately skilled pilot, because he's trying to play a different game than "Whee!!!! Let's get a kill at any cost!".

Personally, I no longer have very much trouble with them. At one time though in a different sim I did - I was much less skilled, and flying what was modeled as an anemic gunned aircraft that bled E like a stuck pig meant that an HO you avoided could kill you faster than one you took.

Bruv119 has the right of it - there's a big difference between an merge where the guy is planning to HO you, and one where he isn't. And often times, the guys who are avoiding the HO do so by too large of an amount, and give up angles in the process - or even worse position themselves for an off-center deflection shot.

It sounds contradictory, but what Bruv119 says is basically true. If the guy's going HO you avoid it and go for the angles, if the guy isn't you watch for a deflection shot if he's cut the margin too fine, and if he swings too far wide he gives up angles as you lead turn behind him.

Believe me, I've been there with the frustration. All I can say is that eventually, you don't have much trouble with it any more.

I just wish I could see better a lot of the time. Any more, when I end up HO 9 out of 10 times it's because I thought I was coming at his 6 and I'm headed straight into his teeth. I may maneuver if I realize soon enough, but if there isn't time, I usually fire in the hopes of spoiling his shot.

StewyS · « **Reply #72 on:** February 26, 2007, 09:20:19 PM »

I prefer to start my morning off with a 20oz. HO, no cream just sweet sugar.

FBplmmr · « **Reply #73 on:** February 26, 2007, 09:47:07 PM »

some people fly,, some people HO.

BaldEagl · « **Reply #74 on:** February 26, 2007, 11:33:10 PM »

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Originally posted by FBplmmr
some people fly,, some people HO.

And some people do both.

I don't buy the argument that if you HO you have no skills. I might not be the best fighter pilot but I'll take a fair one on one or even one on two against anyone any day (after that I'll do whatever it takes to stay alive). I might not win but hopefully I'll put up a good fight and we'll both (all) have fun.

Like I said earlier, if I see you turning or getting seperation for the merge, I'll turn to fight on a cold merge, if I see you coming straight at me for the HO, you'll get what you deserve. Either way I'll fight the fight you want to give me, again, unless I'm heavily outnumbered or in a furball, then I'm going to try to take down as many enemys as fast as I can to try to even the playing field. The other exception is after the merge but those usually end up being deflection shots rather than HO's as both pilots try to pull the nose around on the other.

Why in the world would you fly straight at someone if you were'nt planning a HO? If you do you have no reason to cry when it happens to you and, as I said earlier, my odds of getting the kill and flying away are very high, much higher than 50-50, closer to 80-90%.

And BTW Benny, HO's are easy to avoid as I proved to myself over a 2-3 month period of abstinence. I just got sick of all the HOers so I figured I'd just go back to teaching them some lessons.

Flame away.