Author Topic: Once again (Read 879 times)

MOIL · « **on:** February 26, 2007, 05:32:39 PM »

I see post after post of planes and goodies, some good, some not-so-good.

I don't however see any recent posts on my beloved Wirbelwind, so again I must refresh everyones memory on this much needed and celebrated WWII vehicle.

Enjoy:D

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nirvana · « **Reply #1 on:** February 26, 2007, 05:35:57 PM »

What's the firing rate and ammo load out on that thing? There are many uses I could find for it, if the price is right. Or ammo load out as it were.

TwinBoom · « **Reply #2 on:** February 26, 2007, 05:45:01 PM »

Flakpanzer IV "Wirbelwind"
General characteristics
Crew 5
Length 5.89 m
Width 2.88 m
Height 2.76 m
Weight 22 tonnes
Armour and armament
Armour 10 - 80 mm
Main armament 1x 2 cm Flakvierling 38 L/112.5
3200 rounds
Secondary armament 1x 7.92 mm Maschinengewehr 34
1350 rounds
Mobility
Power plant 12-cylinder Maybach HL 120 TRM
272 hp
Suspension leaf spring
Road speed 40 km/h
Power/weight 12.36 hp/tonne
Range 200 km

Serenity · « **Reply #3 on:** February 26, 2007, 06:42:28 PM »

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Originally posted by TwinBoom
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Main armament 1x 2 cm Flakvierling 38 L/112.5
3200 rounds
Secondary armament 1x 7.92 mm Maschinengewehr 34
1350 rounds

But, I count 4 guns...

Krusty · « **Reply #4 on:** February 26, 2007, 06:45:01 PM »

1x "name of gun"... the gun name is for a unit that has 4 guns firing at once.

Basically you'd get 800 rpg I think.

VooWho · « **Reply #5 on:** February 26, 2007, 06:54:18 PM »

This would be a nice perk GV. 4 cannons firing high into the sky at diving planes. Getting about 4 hits on a plane and then BOOM!

MOIL do you have thoughs pics saved in your computer?

MOIL · « **Reply #6 on:** February 26, 2007, 07:02:40 PM »

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Originally posted by VooWho
This would be a nice perk GV. 4 cannons firing high into the sky at diving planes. Getting about 4 hits on a plane and then BOOM!

MOIL do you have thoughs pics saved in your computer?

Yes I do, however the pic's I posted are just links.

MOIL · « **Reply #7 on:** February 26, 2007, 07:07:07 PM »

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Originally posted by nirvana
What's the firing rate and ammo load out on that thing? There are many uses I could find for it, if the price is right. Or ammo load out as it were.

Wirbelwind and Ostwind were fitted with very similar (especially designed) open-top (Wirbelwind's turret had 9 side panels and Ostwind's had 6 side panels) turrets mounted in the place of standard turrets. Ostwind's turret was nicknamed Keksdose - cookie tin. Main difference was that Wirbelwind was armed with quadruple 20mm Flak 38 L/112.5 guns while Ostwind was armed with single 37mm Flak 43 L/89 gun (both could be used against ground targets as well). 20mm Flak proved to be less effective than 37mm Flak and was eventually replaced by it. Both were produced by Ostbau Works in Sagan, Silesia in limited numbers due to the material shortages and the fact that Ostbau Works moved to facilities of Deutsche Eisenwerke in Teplitz and Duisburg due to danger of being overrun by the Soviets. Overall from May to November of 1944, only 87(105) Wirbelwinds were made, contrary to only 44(43) Ostwinds produced from July 1944 to March of 1945. Both vehicles were issued to Flugabwehrzug (AA platoons) units of Panzer Divisions. There were never enough of them to equip frontline units, which were in the need for adequate mobile AA defense. Both proved to be very effective against low flying aircraft. The interesting fact is that prototype Ostwindwas combat tested by 1st Waffen SS Panzer Division "Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler" during the Ardennes Offensive (December 16 to 22 of 1944) and returned to factory undamaged.

nirvana · « **Reply #8 on:** February 26, 2007, 08:56:00 PM »

I'll take a couple.

tedrbr · « **Reply #9 on:** February 26, 2007, 09:51:16 PM »

I'll still request the addition of the Flugabwehr-Kanone, or FLaK 36, with the long barreled 88mm cannon, first. Manned puffy ack. Long range indirect artillery. Long range direct fire. HE, AP, Smoke, AA. Towed and deployable.

Link to Thread

High angle range of 35,100 ft.and a horizontal range of 16,200 yards (9.2 miles or 14.8 km)

nirvana · « **Reply #10 on:** February 27, 2007, 08:07:59 PM »

Yeah, I guess I'll have a few of those as well.

mussie · « **Reply #11 on:** March 01, 2007, 11:34:44 PM »

BAH Give Me Gustav

http://www.aopt91.dsl.pipex.com/railgun/images/Railguns/Dora/doracol.jpg

'Schwere Gustav' was not used against civilian targets. Its first targets were some coastal batteries that were engaged at a range of about 25000 m (27,340 yards), and all shots were observed by a special Luftwaffe flight of Fieseler Fi-156 Storchs assigned to the gun. Eight shots were all that were required to demolish these targets, and later the same day a further six shots were fired at the concrete work known as Fort Stalin. By the end of the day that too was a ruin and preparations were made for the following day. It might be thought that 14 rounds in a day was slow going, but in fact it was good going for a gun with a calibre of 80 cm (31.5 in). At best the firing rate was one round every 15 minutes, and more often the interval was longer. The preparation of each shell and charge was considerable and involved several stages including taking the temperature of each charge, accurately computing the air temperature and wind currents at altitude, and getting the shell and the charge to the breech. Projectile and charge then had to be rammed accurately, and the whole barrel had to be elevated to the correct angle. It all took time.

MOIL · « **Reply #12 on:** March 02, 2007, 01:37:20 AM »

Oh yeah the mighty Gustav, we'll shell the other side of the map, who doesn't wanna do that:eek:

I agree the Flak36 (German 88) would also be a great addition to the game to combat high alt bombers and armor attacks.

Towable & deployable, would add a interesting twist to the game.

Ball · « **Reply #13 on:** March 02, 2007, 02:14:19 AM »

The 88 would be fun, wouldnt have prox fuses for puffy ack tho - would make it quite difficult to hit anything with an individual gun.

mussie · « **Reply #14 on:** March 02, 2007, 02:38:25 AM »

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Originally posted by MOIL
Oh yeah the mighty Gustav, we'll shell the other side of the map, who doesn't wanna do that:eek:

I agree the Flak36 (German 88) would also be a great addition to the game to combat high alt bombers and armor attacks.

Towable & deployable, would add a interesting twist to the game.

Imagine a capturable base with the Gustav in each country...

BOOM BOOM BOOM Baby........