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Offline GtoRA2

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American big game hunter.... calls gun owners terrorists.
« on: February 27, 2007, 04:41:27 PM »
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Gist is he called Assault weapons used by hunters Terrorist weapons and ended his Career, almost overnight.

Maybe Jim Zumbo should go to rehab, it seems to work for everyone else.

The response to this is interesting, all his sponsors are gone or going, his show looks like it’s canceled and he resigned his job at a magazine after over 6000 complaints came in.


I feel a bit sorry for the guy, but I do not have a lot of tolerance for hunters who are willing to sell the rights of their fellow gun owners down the river. The 2cnd amendment was NEVER about hunting. I wonder if congress and maybe the Dems will see a lesson in this?

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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2007, 04:50:01 PM »
as soon as all the "terrorist guns" are gone, the terrorists will start using guns like his beloved Remington "deer gun" (Good out to 600 yards btw) and then what will we do?

A gun is a gun and anyone who wants to get rid of one type will want to get rid of all types as soon as the opportunity arises.

Honestly, Ive never heard of the guy but it is clear to me that he is no supporter of gun owners.
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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2007, 04:50:07 PM »
You give the Dems too much credit if you think they can see anything of truth.
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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2007, 05:49:21 PM »
This all sounds like an "inconveinent truth."


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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2007, 05:51:32 PM »
if he thinks emptying a 30 round clip to nail a prarie dog is uncool then lol that d00d must have been PO'd when he saw Caddy Shack
whats the best weapon for a witch hunt?

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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2007, 05:57:35 PM »
It's been several years now but a Colt rep did something much the same by making comments and stating Colt was changing it's position on civilian firearm ownership. I have not purchased a Colt product since.
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2007, 05:59:28 PM »
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if he thinks emptying a 30 round clip to nail a prarie dog is uncool then lol that d00d must have been PO'd when he saw Caddy Shack
whats the best weapon for a witch hunt?


A Streetsweeper

Or this

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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2007, 06:21:56 PM »
I don't know, I've always been a little partial to claymore mines myself. Or maybe a little C4 under the gas tank and wired to the starter.

But all things being equal, I can cause more damage with my Remington 700BDL 30-06 than I can with my AR-15.
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2007, 06:27:12 PM »
Personally, what he said makes sense to "hunters".    Which is the forum he set the "comment in", not "all gun owners".    

The words "Maybe I'm a Traditionalist" explained it for me.    BTW, I own a USP 45 and a Sig 30-06.   They panicked when they didn't need too.   They and some of you are reading into this a helluva lot farther than you should be.

Where in this "As hunters, we don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them. . . . I'll go so far as to call them 'terrorist' rifles."  does he "call gun owners Terrorists?   I'm sorry, but I ain't buying this bullchit.   When a remark from someone who has been hunting for over 40 years, gets lambasted, and those lambasting cannot even get his comments right.    This pisses me off more than anything.   Solidarity among gun owners is the goal.  Taking a comment like this and "running with it", only creates an unnecessary rift.
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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2007, 06:36:25 PM »
f-14 is teh t3rorist plane

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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2007, 07:16:47 PM »
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f-14 is teh t3rorist plane


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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2007, 08:29:00 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2007, 10:08:01 PM »
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f-14 is teh t3rorist plane


Well, yes ... actually it is! :D

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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2007, 10:57:28 PM »
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The last few days have been an educational experience, to say the least. My ill-conceived inflammatory blog, as all of you now know, set off a firestorm that, I’m told, has never before been equaled. I’m not proud of that.

Let me say this at the outset. My words here are from the heart, and all mine. No one can censor me, and I answer to no one but myself. And I have no one to blame but myself. Outdoor Life, a magazine that I worked for full-time as Hunting Editor for almost 30 years, fired me yesterday. My TV show was cancelled yesterday. Many of my sponsors have issued statements on their website to sever all relationships. This may cause many of you to do backflips and dance in the streets, but, of course, I’m not laughing, nor am I looking for sympathy. I don’t want a pity party.

They say hindsight is golden. Looking back, I can’t believe I said the words “ban” and “terrorist” in the context that I did. I don’t know what I was thinking when I wrote that. I can explain this as sheer ignorance and an irresponsible use of words. What I’ve learned over the last few days has enlightened and amazed me. As a guy who hunts 200 days a year, does seminars on hunting, wrote for six hunting magazines, had a hunting TV show, and wrote 20 books on hunting, how could I have been so ignorant and out of touch with reality in the world of hunting and shooting?

But I was. I really can’t explain it, maybe because I just summarily dismissed the firearms in question in my mind when I saw them in magazines and catalogs. I saw one “black” firearm in a hunting camp in all my 50 years of hunting, and I shot one last year off a boat when fishing in Alaska. To tell the truth, it was fun and I enjoyed it immensely, but I never considered one for use in hunting. I have to tell you that I have had a revelation. I’m learning that many of my pals own AR-15’s and similar firearms and indeed use them for hunting. I was totally unaware that they were being used for legitimate hunting purposes. That is the absolute truth.

My biggest regret is not the financial impact of all this. I’m almost 67 and retirement is an option. The dreadful impact here is that I inadvertently struck a spear into the hearts of the people I love most…America’s gun owners. And, even though this huge cadre of dedicated people have succeeded in stripping me of my career, I hold no grudges. I will continue to stand as firm on pro hunting as I’ve ever done. But what’s different now is that I’ll do all I can to educate others who are, or were, as ignorant as I was about “black” rifles and the controversy that surrounds them. My promise to you is that I’ll learn all I can about these firearms, and by the time this week is out, I’ll order one. The NUGE has invited me to hunt with him using AR-15’s, and I’m eager to go, and learn. I’ll do all I can to spread the word.

I understand that many of you will not accept this apology, believing that the damage has been done and there’s no way to repair it. You have that right. But let me say this. I mentioned this above, and I’ll repeat it. I’m willing to seize this opportunity to educate hunters and shooters who shared my ignorance. If you’re willing to allow me to do that, we can indeed, in my mind, form a stronger bond within our ranks. Maybe in a roundabout way we can bring something good out of this.

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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2007, 11:05:45 PM »
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Where in this "As hunters, we don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them. . . . I'll go so far as to call them 'terrorist' rifles." does he "call gun owners Terrorists? I'm sorry, but I ain't buying this bullchit. When a remark from someone who has been hunting for over 40 years, gets lambasted, and those lambasting cannot even get his comments right. This pisses me off more than anything. Solidarity among gun owners is the goal. Taking a comment like this and "running with it", only creates an unnecessary rift.


The rift was already there. Zumbo just clarified the (Elmer) Fudd perspective. When he made the statement, and reinforced by his half assed apology, it was obvious that Zumbo wouldn't know the RTKBA if it bit him in the ass.

The problem, of course -- nuances aside -- is that, as expected, the people "running with it" are  the Brady folk. They jumped on this immediately. So perhaps you should write a letter to them asking them to clarify Zumbo's position, since oddly they seem to be doing a poor job of it.

In fact, his language is right out of the worst the Brady campaign has to offer. At this time, with a very real ban bill coming across the line in IL and a federal ban far more restrictive than the past one submitted in Washington, the damage he has caused is significant. Not crucial perhaps, but another firearm "authority" that supports their primary spin that hunting is what the 2nd is all about, and if it's not a hunting rifle then it has no purpose.  And, the word association of "terrorist" and "ban" speak to deeper beliefs and play well to those wanting to piss all over the 2nd.

Maybe I'm a bit sensitive because I hear the anti gun politicians in my state use that same Zumboesque language over and over again with each assault on my rights. I have to actively fight on the phone, mail and letters to the editor on a quarterly basis while the Fudds sit on their tulips smug in the false belief that if theyr take my gun their centerfire sniper assassin rifles will be safe.  Since the crime statistics do not back up a position against semi autos, the ONLY reason for the AR ban efforts is because they think it's the easiest target today. They are used in about 1-2 percent of all crime. That's it. Even if bans worked, were talking a "margin of error" cure to firearm criminal activity. If anyone thinks it will stop with semi autos, guess again.

Maybe when these "traditionalists" are restricted to an over/under shotgun with $50 per box ammo and a $500 registration fee, or a black powder muzzle loader or bow for hunting they will get the picture. And it's not like hunting is all that politically correct these days, or like hunters make up the significant firearm ownership base or are at the forefront of the RTKBA fight.

The one good thing is that this brought the debate out in the open. If Zumbo can be reformed, and is believable in the process (and not just waffling to get his endorsements back) then it could do some good. Perhaps he can open the eyes of other Fudds that there is actually a big picture. But, he will never undo the broader public damage he has created.

Charon
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